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reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 02:51 PM by Solomons
reply to post by Misoir
Israel has enough nukes to flatten most European and middle eastern capitals...i dont find that hilarious in the slightest.
Israel has enough nukes to flatten most European and middle eastern capitals...i dont find that hilarious in the slightest.
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 02:55 PM by gortex
reply to post by Solomons
It's one thing to have Nuclear weapons , it's another to actually use them , which is why they have only been used twice in their history .
It's one thing to have Nuclear weapons , it's another to actually use them , which is why they have only been used twice in their history .
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 03:08 PM by Solomons
reply to post by gortex
The samson option was precisely made for an 'event'. What level needed is open to question, but it's hard to gauge what Israeli politicians are thinking given even this series of events, i would not be so quick to throw the nuclear card off the table given the unpredictable nature of Israel and what in their minds qualifies as a reasonable cause to launch nukes.
The samson option was precisely made for an 'event'. What level needed is open to question, but it's hard to gauge what Israeli politicians are thinking given even this series of events, i would not be so quick to throw the nuclear card off the table given the unpredictable nature of Israel and what in their minds qualifies as a reasonable cause to launch nukes.
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 03:12 PM by Breifne
I can't but help wondering why Turkey are reacting to this incident in the strongest possible terms. I mean, they are not exactly toeing the party
line on this one like a good NATO memer it is. Slaughtering Kurds just doesn't quite make the headlines in Turkey anymore, but national interests is
a different matter!
Are they trying to deflect attention away from Iran given they, along with Brazil, have recently signed a nuclear fuel swap plan (source). China also appear to be resisting pressure on a UN censure against North Korea at the moment (Source)! Timing seems quite coincidental IMO.
Either away, Israeli F16's v Turkey F16's - the US military industrial complex never ceases to amaze me!
Are they trying to deflect attention away from Iran given they, along with Brazil, have recently signed a nuclear fuel swap plan (source). China also appear to be resisting pressure on a UN censure against North Korea at the moment (Source)! Timing seems quite coincidental IMO.
Either away, Israeli F16's v Turkey F16's - the US military industrial complex never ceases to amaze me!
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 03:14 PM by DangerDeath
Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by Misoir
Israel has enough nukes to flatten most European and middle eastern capitals...i dont find that hilarious in the slightest.
Why is then Israel allowed to exist? If Israel is a threat to Europe in this manner, you know what...
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 03:16 PM by DangerDeath
Originally posted by Breifne
I can't but help wondering why Turkey are reacting to this incident in the strongest possible terms. I mean, they are not exactly toeing the party line on this one like a good NATO memer it is. Slaughtering Kurds just doesn't quite make the headlines in Turkey anymore, but national interests is a different matter!
Are they trying to deflect attention away from Iran given they, along with Brazil, have recently signed a nuclear fuel swap plan (source). China also appear to be resisting pressure on a UN censure against North Korea at the moment (Source)! Timing seems quite coincidental IMO.
Either away, Israeli F16's v Turkey F16's - the US military industrial complex never ceases to amaze me!
Europe seems to be falling apart and Israelis and Turks are going to use this to help it.
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 03:28 PM by NecromancerYHVH
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by NecromancerYHVH
Exactly historically they have been one of the largest powers, but most of their Navy(check the Wikipedia) is some corvettes, a couple frigates and some missile boats.The submarines were put on order in 2006 and no word of completion. There are no Aircraft carriers which means using air cover from Turkey direct. How long is the loiter time when you have to fly a couple hundred miles
six French-built D'Estienne d'Orves class (B class) corvettes
2005, construction works of the first Milgem class corvette
Two additional Kılıç-II class fast attack missile boats and three additional A class mine hunters are currently under construction.
Plans to build a total of four TF-2000 class AAW frigates,[8][9] the acquisition of a Landing Platform Dock (LPD)[10] and a total of six Type 214 AIP submarines[11][12] were approved by the Turkish Ministry of Defense on 12 December 2006. The RfI issued for the LPD project states that the requirement is for one LPD carrying 4 Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM), 27 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), 2 Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCPV), 1 Commander Boat and 1 Rubber Hull Inflated Boat (RHIB). The Turkish Navy also plans to acquire 2 new Tank Landing Ships (LST),[13] 8 new Tank Landing Crafts (LCT),[14] 16 new Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) with ASW capability,[15] 2 new Rescue & Towing (R&T) ships,[16] and 1 new Submarine Rescue Mother Ship (MOSHIP).[17]
Oldest airforces is right, most of their aircraft will not match up with the newest f16 and other various upgraded american hardware, that coupled with the fact that the Turkish have to travel to the fight leaves them at a distinct dissadvantage. Lets not even get into the fact of the disparity between radar systems and counter measures, intel systems, satalites, and electronics.
en.wikipedia.org...
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reply to post by NecromancerYHVH
As to Escalation I don't think Turkey has anything technologically compared to Israel
The Turkish Navy has historically been one of the largest sea powers of the Mediterranean.
Exactly historically they have been one of the largest powers, but most of their Navy(check the Wikipedia) is some corvettes, a couple frigates and some missile boats.The submarines were put on order in 2006 and no word of completion. There are no Aircraft carriers which means using air cover from Turkey direct. How long is the loiter time when you have to fly a couple hundred miles
six French-built D'Estienne d'Orves class (B class) corvettes
2005, construction works of the first Milgem class corvette
Two additional Kılıç-II class fast attack missile boats and three additional A class mine hunters are currently under construction.
Plans to build a total of four TF-2000 class AAW frigates,[8][9] the acquisition of a Landing Platform Dock (LPD)[10] and a total of six Type 214 AIP submarines[11][12] were approved by the Turkish Ministry of Defense on 12 December 2006. The RfI issued for the LPD project states that the requirement is for one LPD carrying 4 Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM), 27 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV), 2 Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCPV), 1 Commander Boat and 1 Rubber Hull Inflated Boat (RHIB). The Turkish Navy also plans to acquire 2 new Tank Landing Ships (LST),[13] 8 new Tank Landing Crafts (LCT),[14] 16 new Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) with ASW capability,[15] 2 new Rescue & Towing (R&T) ships,[16] and 1 new Submarine Rescue Mother Ship (MOSHIP).[17]
The Turkish Air Force is one of the oldest air forces in the world and operates one of the largest combat aircraft fleets of NATO
Oldest airforces is right, most of their aircraft will not match up with the newest f16 and other various upgraded american hardware, that coupled with the fact that the Turkish have to travel to the fight leaves them at a distinct dissadvantage. Lets not even get into the fact of the disparity between radar systems and counter measures, intel systems, satalites, and electronics.
en.wikipedia.org...
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reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:13 PM by Stewie
reply to post by gortex
Not only what you mentioned, but they have an Intelligence capability that rivals that of Israel.
They are worthy foes.
Not only what you mentioned, but they have an Intelligence capability that rivals that of Israel.
They are worthy foes.
reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:16 PM by john124
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With Turkish navy support they'll be eager to take Israel down a peg.
I received the following message from a member of the Belfast Palestine Solidarity Committee which has received word from the Free Gaza Movement that those aboard the Irish vessel "Rachel Corrie" have decided to proceed to Gaza. A full press release is expected shortly.
With Turkish navy support they'll be eager to take Israel down a peg.
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