Turkish Navy will Escort aid to Gaza

Any update on this? Is the Turkish government really going to put the money where their mouth is?

Originally posted by tellmemoreok
Turkey threatens action

This has the potential of escalation. Israel has one choice. End the blockade. That's how it appears now.

I guess Israel thinks that there's also another choice, ...

'Next Time We'll Use More Force'

Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

"We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war," the officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war."

I guess if Turkish navy is actually going to escort humanitarian ships to Gaza, they better be prepared for the worst.

[edit on 6/1/2010 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by Mdv2
Any update on this? Is the Turkish government really going to put the money where their mouth is?

Probably.

Israel attacked NATO, not just Turkey. Article V states that an attack on one of us is an attack on us all.

*Folks,

Here are some quotes from the Turkish PM Erdogan.

Feel free to repost them:

Here is the Template so you can make your own righteous Erdogan quote. =

Source for these quotes is here:

www.huffingtonpost.com...







[edit on 1-6-2010 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by Mdv2
Any update on this? Is the Turkish government really going to put the money where their mouth is?

Update: It appears this was a premeditated attack/ MURDER!

I recall seeing a reporter run up to one of the news reporters and holding up a document to the camera. I didn't understand the significance of this at the time because I don't speak Turkish. But I do understand now. If there were ever a reason for a declaration of War, this is it.

Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6fa83f09cfbc.jpg[/atsimg]

www.kawther.info...

Edit to add link



[edit on 1-6-2010 by All Seeing Eye]

You guys might like to read this article..


Gordon Duff: Israel Scams U.S. “Gaza Convoy Carrying Stolen Nukes”

“STOLEN NUKES,” MISSING WMD’S THAT CAUSED IRAQ WAR IN ISRAEL ALL ALONG

ISRAELI “ROGUE NUKES” USED TO JUSTFY GLOBAL “CRIME SPREE”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

In a long secret “lost nuke” scenario dating back to 1991 and involving Israel, South Africa, Britain, Oman and the U.S., Israel claims “self defense” in attacking ships in international waters today, killing 16. These secret nuclear weapons hijacked after shipment from South Africa have torn the world apart for nearly two decades. If you ever wondered why and what while watching the world tear itself apart, this is what was being kept from you, a lie within a lie.

Just after the humanitarian flotilla departed for Gaza, Israel informed the US and Britain that the convoy was ferrying stolen nuclear weapons that would be used for a terrorist attack on Israel. The “stolen nukes” have been in Israel for 18 years while the US has spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives looking for them. Today 16 more died.

Meanwhile, three Israel’s German built, “nuclear armed” submarines sit off Iran today, they believe covered by this same deception. This was also the rationale for other acts to isolate Palestinians including walling off hundreds of thousands in a virtual prison in Gaza, walls built and designed by the US Army Corps of Engineers, walls that America should have on its own southern border.


Rest at source..

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Something weird and unusual I read in the BBC report:

Captain Aria Shaliker of the Israel Defense Forces, who was part of the operation on Monday, says the commandos began the raids armed with paint ball guns.

news.bbc.co.uk...

You can see in the vid that a few soldiers really do have paintball guns...

Why the hell would you board a ship with paintball guns? .. You can see them land, start shooting their paintball guns, then get over run by people with all kinds of things, mostly wooden planks or bars by the looks of it .. they even tossed a guy overboard..

Still no word on WHY they even tried to raid the ship though. If it was truly a threat, they wouldn't have used paintball guns.. just weird.

Possibly some form of this technology?

www.pepperball.com...

PepperBall products include a full line of system launchers and projectiles for a variety of less-lethal applications. These systems allow military, law enforcement officers, correctional officers, security guards and other agencies to use a less-lethal approach to incapacitate individuals, disperse crowds or just simply gain compliance. For consumers, PepperBall offers several personal defense systems for your personal protection and to protect your family when safety is threatened. With over 15 million PepperBalls sold, PepperBall personal defense systems have been proven to be highly effective and safe with no reported serious injuries.

reply to post by Obzkure


Good question...

Why they don’t wear paint ball guns when they are shooting Palestinian rock throwers..??

sorry..

double post..


[edit on 1-6-2010 by amkia]

Turkey is looking to create a crisis. If they wished to merely deliver aid supplies, they could do that via land, without causing any confrontation.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


This was not a turkish flotilla that was attacked. The flotilla consisted of six ships, each with a different nation's flag marking it. The other nations represented include Holland, Belgium, the US, Ireland, the UK, Greece, Poland, Palestine, and Germany.

Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...


And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ...suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

reply to post by All Seeing Eye


Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...


And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ...suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

Originally posted by Obzkure

PepperBall products include a full line of system launchers and projectiles for a variety of less-lethal applications. These systems allow military, law enforcement officers, correctional officers, security guards and other agencies to use a less-lethal approach to incapacitate individuals, disperse crowds or just simply gain compliance. For consumers, PepperBall offers several personal defense systems for your personal protection and to protect your family when safety is threatened. With over 15 million PepperBalls sold, PepperBall personal defense systems have been proven to be highly effective and safe with no reported serious injuries.

Or it's more lethal cousin:

Soldiers in Iraq are being issued with an unusual new weapon — a paintball gun. The weapon, known as the FN303 or Individual Serviceman Non-Lethal System (ISNLS), fires a 6.5 gram projectile containing a mixture of paint and the brittle metal bismuth. RDECOM magazine (warning, giant .PDF!) says that "the shoulder-fired weapons have been deployed to troops for non-lethal crowds and riot control during detainee operations."

The Army are a bit vague about the effects of the FN303. The bismuth body is designed to fragment on impact, but the makers FN Herstal stress the sheer physical force of these rounds. "The shock and pain caused by the impact instantly stop and neutralize the suspect," the company says.

The projectiles can be dangerous. After the Boston Red Sox won the World Series in 2004, a college student was accidentally killed when she was shot in the eye with a FN303. The power of these weapons should not be underestimated: they are far preferable to shooting with live ammunition, but cannot be used carelessly because they’re not "real" guns.

www.wired.com...

Originally posted by Yitro
Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...


And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ...suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

JIDF alert

Doesn't excuse the piss poor planning and execution (literally) of this RAID and subsequent deaths of aid personnel.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by rationaluser]

reply to post by DEEZNUTZ


the law of the sea states that a blockade is legal unless it is broken. as crazy as that is it is legal if its not broken. even if people dont like the blockade its still fair and legal UNLESS IT WAS BROKEN. so that means the only way israel would be in legal trouble internationally is if they let the flotila through the blockade, effectively breaking it. in national security also deterence is only effective if the threat is real. so you cant put up a blockade and not enforce it, or else your deterence is false and there might be othet issues that owuld arise in response to that. so in other words there could be another arab israeli war if THEY DIDNT ENFORCE THE BLOCKADE! if they are weak with their deterence in one point they are weak in their deterence on all points. lets not forget the fact arab strategy with the palestinians was to secretly let them starve out to make israel look bad. these are all set ups in reality, and im suprised a whole conspiracy theory website cant see through this conspiracy

Love the Turkish stand so far!

Israel wont dare an open attack on a turkish fleet... that would mean an attack on NATO. Question is... if they do attack turkey, what will the US as a NATO member do?

reply to post by Shark_Feeder

This was not a turkish flotilla that was attacked.

I KNOW that. I am talking about the Turkish threat to send their OWN flotilla :

Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to Gaza escorted by the Turkish Navy

______beforeitsnews/news/70/798/Turkey_has_announced_they_will_send_another_flotilla_to_Gaza_escorted_by_the_Turkish_Navy.html

(from another thread about this incident)

This is also an interesting article! Hell! Is this the TimeWaveZero event

The overcrowded passenger ship carried Jewish refugees fleeing from war-decimated Europe who hoped to become settlers in Palestine — then under British control — but the British were intent on blocking their entry.

In international waters off Palestine the British Royal Navy intercepted the Exodus and British troops attempted to board.

Several hours of fighting followed, with the ship’s passengers spraying fuel oil and throwing smoke bombs, life rafts and whatever else came to hand, down on the British sailors trying to board, The Times reported at the time. Soon the British opened fire. Two immigrants and a crewman on the Exodus were killed; scores more were wounded, many seriously. The ship was towed to Haifa, and from there its passengers were deported, first to France and eventually to Germany, where they were placed in camps near Lübeck.

I'll be damned. Turks were certainly aware of this. Something big in the making.





warincontext.org...



[edit on 1-6-2010 by DangerDeath]

Israel is not going to stop the next flotilla, since they and Egypt have announced that they are relaxing the blockade, according to the AP. I created a thread with the links if you want to see for yourself. www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Yitro


From an article posted in Australia ( sorry about the format first post and all), relating to the legality of the above quoted laws. The blockade already deemed illegal and condemned by the majority of the world, has no legal right to be enforced. Or that is how i understand it.

From www.abc.net.au...

"What Israel conveniently omits to mention is that the San Remo Manual also contains rules governing the lawfulness of the blockade itself, and there can be no authority under international law to enforce a blockade which is unlawful. Paragraph 102 of the Manual prohibits a blockade if "the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade".