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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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I realize that this thread will not be immediately informative, but if it goes as I expect, this can be a lead-in to some topics I feel very strongly need to be exposed to the American public.

How many people know the history, or at least a few stories about Non-Governmental Organizations/Operations?

The fact that Blackwater was an NGO that actually was performing behind-the-scenes military operations in Iraq is a good initial story to research, for those who are unitiniated to this topic.

Many people on this site want to learn about how real-world military and intelligence operations go down, and this would be a good primer to begin that process.




posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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PMC are private military companys, these are private guns for hire much like Blackwater. They recruit ex-army from around the world and are are hired by many different govts to carry out certain sensitive objectives on the world stage. As war has become a business now, the private mercs provide a cheaper alternative to govts and corporations (Shell in Nigeria for example) than sending in the marines....

They are NOT! bound by the geneva convention and as there is no real research into how the operate we have no idea what they are really doing behind the scenes. I assume NGOs are the new term for these groups?



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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The whole "Air America" was essentially a CIA NGO. It was an NGO responsible for the whole Eugene Hossenfuss episode that stopped what was just about to become a Central American war.

As far as terminology, because both your term and mine have gotten so much bad press for CIA down through the years, they, and other clandestine functions, have even borrowed business terms like "outsourcing," which can mean the same thing.

Thanks, strangleholder1, because this is just the kind of thing I need other people to bring out, so I can start walking us through some of the initial stories that really need to be told. But I will need other people's input to get into some of the more complex aspects later, for reason that will become more obvious later. Guys, give me some leeway here and I think you will be very pleased in the future.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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No problem at all my friend, after all this is what we are here for. I assume you have more intel on these groups?

I am pretty certain there is a huge bunch of these "guns for hire" working in the middle east since 9/11. Not a western company but islamic mercs, being pimped out by the which ever warlord trained them. The way I see it they bolster the numbers in the form of "foreign insurgents" and they are working in Pakistan now, de-stabilization and willing martyrdom are their main tools. Would you agree on this?

I'm not talking the Al Qaeda or any other MSM mythical group, I'm talking Islamic PMCs brought in to bolster other groups over the course of these wars. They pretend to be driven by religion but in actual fact they are nothing more than mercs. They are an industry in a region that offers little else to the poor.

I hope others add to this thread, I am intrigued in what you have to tell.

S+F to get you started.....

[edit on 31-5-2010 by strangleholder1]



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Very interesting. I have really never thought of NGO's in terms of anything other than traditional uses like in foreign countries, providing new sources of water, food, humanitarian assistance etc. similiar to
the definition here:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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NGOs have been used over the past 60 years to do things that provide an immediate level of deniability to the agency who created the NGO. For routine issues, the NGOs are completely straightforward.

The same could not be said for covert NGOs. If a specific task in planned by an element of Agency X, that sub-unit can secretly develop an NGO to go to any location, domestic or other, and will thus bypass any specific restrictions that might be on Agency X, even from Congress. No member of Agency X ever goes to that location, for whatever purpose they truly desired to (surveillence, contact, communication, buying or selling, or anything else). Therefore, when the Agency X leaders speak to a Congressional Hearing, because he did not personally "know" of that NGO, (that "knowing" is open to interpretation), without officially lying to Congress, he or she can categorically deny that any member or function within that Agency has violated that directive, because the NGO is not officially part of that agency.

One NGO can even oversee other NGOs, providing layers of deniability.

With this preliminary information, you guys can already start looking at history and organizations to begin to realize what a tremendous boost this is for performing key operations, without endangering Agency personnel, or risking the immediate revelation that Agency X had a direct hand in the project, if there is a major meltdown or failure. Deniability is a beautiful thing!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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Wow. Now you are making me start to wonder about an American I know
who lives in South America, who suddenly decided to go to work for
an NGO, and then quit under circumstances he did not want to discuss, less than 6 months later. Hmmm....



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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That's my point about this.

The government, its agencies, and its leaders, aren't really all that brilliant. Once a concept proves successful, it is much easier to duplicate it than to create a whole new concept. Once you learn the patterns, you can see what's happening even when you aren't on the inside of that project.

That is why I can talk about many programs I was personally involved with, while I cannot talk about their sister programs that I did learn about through my own service, or even through my own participation.

As you guys start to learn these patterns, you'll be able to see the real conspiracies, even from a distance. Stick with me and you will learn. Also, there are a lot of other smart people on this site, and anything they can contribute will make my job easier. Possibly, they can even discuss some of the things I cannot.

This needs to be a joint effort!!!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Excellent topic for conspiracy. You are correct: this topic will open the doors for so many other topics that are linked to NGOs, such as the financing headquarters for many of the covert operations taking place. Too big to fail? We bought it and were willing to fund the enterprises until we found out that the moeny we gave was not being used to help homeowners keep their homes or small businesses stay in business. A convenient public scapegoat without consequence but it does not explain where the rest of the money went.

The scariest thing in all this is that the general public really doesn't want to know. That charector Jack Nicholson portrayed "Truth? You can't handle the truth" is just so applicable. Not that people can't handle the truth but that they would prefer not knowing it. "Don't ask, don't tell" is our social motto.

When we do finally start asking, we are given idiot stories, fairy tales, and accused of believing in conspiracy theories. Go figure. Sad that people who are trying to find out the truth are the ones considered the least credible.

NGOs that start NGOs to oversee NGOs is a brilliant tactic to hide behind. If you really are serious finding out about them, just follow the money because not one of them are in business for free. High life insurance policies for a company coupled with a low workmans comp insurance is a strong indicator that something is a bit off and the company may actually be an NGO. There are so many other indicators that my contribution to this thread would have to be a seperate topic.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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If you want a little background on the PMC that brought all of this out of the black world and stirred up "S" in diplomatic circles you need to learn about Executive Outcomes. This group was before the Blackwater/XE debacle and after they completed their contract, they decided to press the issue so to speak. Now alot of countries and the U.N. require that agencies become licensed and some even tie the hands of contractors to training and advising. Even when the contractors are out in the field with thier trainees and come under fire, if they return fire, some host countries will prosecute them. It has become a very sticky and complex issue in regards to NGO/PMC/SCA's in today's world. Some are employed by private companies to protect assets while others train/advise/escort for formal gov't entities.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Peggy,
Not only do you make some good points, when you said "follow the money" it was like a breath of fresh air to me. Reading between the lines, I am going to want you to help me with this, and the subsequent topics we will need to explore to reveal our shared interest in the truth.

Manta,
Your friend may have some other reasons for taking their action, but this is exactly how these things go down. Thank you for your contribution. It adds credence that this is not just my own personal vendetta - it is REAL!!!

djvexd,
You and I have shared coordinating opinions before, and your input here is right on the money. Your link is just the kind of additional help I need, because of the limitations I've mentioned earlier.

When others of you start putting your heads together on this, it will definitely lead to some highly important topics for the future.

NGOs led to the Iran-Contra Affair, the Hassenfus debacle, Blackwater, and so many other operations that it would blow people's minds if they realized the importance of their operations.

I hope to lead a gradual revelation of some highly conflicting ideas between what the American people believe, and what the people in positions of power within the Government have done. It will have to be a slow process at first, and I am not without certain concerns for my personal career and safety. More about this should be forthcoming by the end of the year, or early next year. I hope that when this happens, it will be the opening of a whole bunch of issues most Americans haven't the slightest idea about!

For now, you guys keep focusing on the NGOs, and you people will begin to accumulate some very interesting facts. We will have to follow the money at a later time, however, because that is going to be extremely difficult to do.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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NGOs are not a new concept. Although I mentioned NGOs in operation over the last 60 years, the types of operations that led to the development of NGOs have been going on extensively.

Think about NGOs from another standpoint also. We have had a huge military personnel draw-down from the numbers at the height of the Cold War. Those soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines on active duty are facing frequent deployments. This has even extended to the Reserves and National Guard units. Even at that, we still don't have enough personnel to do everything our leaders want us to do worldwide.

So what do you do? Hire former military members in a "civilian" company and send them out to do some of the chores we would like to do with active duty, but there just aren't enough people. In this fashion, they are what is known as a "force multiplier."

Keep researching this topic, and you guys will find out a lot of other things!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Well a little more info on the purported deniable ops as reported by the U.N. Rapporteur in 1995 :
"70. The Special Rapporteur has noted the existence of cases in which
recourse is had to legal devices or, more specifically, to normal legal
procedures for the purpose of concealing mercenary activity. A mercenary
may thus be given the legal identity of a national of the country in whose
armed conflict he is involved or in which he is to undertake his criminal
mission, thereby avoiding the characterization of mercenary. Although the
use of this recourse legally conceals an individual's real status as a
mercenary, information such as the origin of the contractual relationship,
the payment, the type of services arranged for and the simultaneous use of
other nationalities and passports may serve as evidence in establishing the
true status of persons who are justifiably suspected of engaging in
mercenary activities."
You can find the entire report here: U.N. Report on mercenaries
Now this is a LENGHTY but interesting report and comments on the use of PMC's and mercs in different conflict and even mujahadeen fighters in the Bosnia/Herzogovina conflict.
If you really want to look for the "money trail" for deniable U.S. ops: DynCorp Intl'
And now DynCorp has been merged with: Cerberus Capital Management

[edit on 31-5-2010 by djvexd]



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Good job, djvexd!

Now you can start to see the complexity of these organizations. Changing nationalities and giving what amounts to new identities can make it next to impossible to track who is doing what.

I also like your inclusion of how DynaCorp merged with Cerberus Capitol Managment, which suddenly makes all of the programs associated with DynaCorp miraculously disappear from view, and accountability!

This is good work, especially considering that what you guys are finding has been in just a couple of hours. With more time, you guys will find your own clues that will shock and amaze you - in detail and in scope!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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To be absolutely honest my friend, this is just a primer of sorts...I can show you far more weird and complex things. We are talking years of just random googling and following things to dead ends. Alot of people here aren't that familiar with GE's (yes General Electric) business expanse. It leads to some very nasty places, especially "white world" projects and interests in S. America (heavily in Colombia and Brazil).


[edit on 31-5-2010 by djvexd]



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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You are absolutely correct about this being only an introduction, especially with the depth of information you appear to possess. What I was wanting to do was to create a common knowledge base for a number of people on this site who really want to learn more.

NGOs are just a nice sort of introduction for those people.

The only way to truly build a serious case to expose major conspiracies is to build a solid foundation, at every level, and build facts upon facts upon facts.

We can easily start other similar threads, but in each case we need to start slow, and build with elementary knowledge and progress in a logical fashion. When people just create conspiracy theories without laying the proper groundwork, they just aren't going to be taken as seriously, or have the same degree of veracity.

I can guarantee everyone, however, that as we build the stories and demonstrate how NGOs function, it will open up a whole range of true governmental conspiracies!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Here is an interesting report from the U.N. on CIAs global efforts and concerns expressed by foreign nations.

www.un.org...

Believe me, just are just starting to scrape the outermost layers from the tip-top of the iceberg. We certainly are NOT reaching below the waterline at this early stage.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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While not exactly in the form of an NGO, one further example of how the government deals outside of normal pathways, consider that a great many international "charitable organizations" hire NGOs to provide scientific research funds to "scientific research organizations" in various places around the world, administering funds on those projects deemed worthy of the research dollars.

Peggy said to follow the money, and in some of these cases, the money leads directly to U.S. defense contractors who have set up secret research plants in under-developed countries, to perform scientific research they can't do here.

As the scientific NGOs increased around the world, so did the international reports of UFOs. How many people find that a pure coincidence?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Looking forward to hearing more about ngo's and their applications.
Not ngo related, but I used the "follow the money" theory before reading your ngo's thread today, which are located here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...






[edit on 1-6-2010 by manta78]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:27 PM
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Good thinking, Manta!

The key is that the same principles are used over and over again, by one group for one purpose, then by another group for another purpose. As I said earlier, we all know aspects of what is going on. When we put our heads together, we can piece these puzzles together.

Even for programs I have never been associated with, knowing how the missions went down that I did participate in shows me the same pattern for what others are doing. Manta is demonstrating how patterns are repeated. This is a key concept to unraveling what THEY are up to!



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