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Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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reply to post by Skeptron
 


You are the only one talking about Alex Jones, lizards, and the NWO. We are talking about a real incident. Posters watched this happen. I saw the early video. Many of us did. Shots were fired very early in the incident.




posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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I now see this board is no place for me to find any news. Israel was provoked, boarded the ship to check cargo, was attacked and had to respond with lethel force. It is as simple as that, even the msm have this right and the videos clearly show this. Sure you can show tiny segments, and prove your point anyone can.


So here you are, in the goodness of your heart you have decided to take yourself out of your comfort zone and join other like minded individuals in bringing some comfort to people who desperately need it. You have forsaken your own safety and supposed laws and see no need in adhering to the system as you know your plight is justified by all things decent. You know you are about to bring happiness to your fellow human being and you cannot wait to see their faces when you deliver your goods to them!

Suddenly shots are fired and the captain of the ship has been hit. A helicopter breaks the silence and troops start dropping onto your vessel. They want to make sure everything is on the up and up. In fact these are the people who are oppressing the very people that you are going to help. You suddenly realize that you and yours are in great danger actually. I'll leave the rest up to you.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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So tear gas and stun grenades were used. Logic says the soldiers would not use them while they were on the boat. They must have used them before boarding. Why would they do that if they simply wanted to search the vessel?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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" boarded the ship to check cargo "

Maybe keeping up with the news would be a good idea before commenting. Israel had already stated it did not intend to just "check the cargo". That is was in fact going to steal the cargo and kidnap the protesters.

I understand this makes your argument null and void, so you will find it hard to process. But please try anyway.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Skellon


I couldn't agree more with you. But I am having too much fun debating the failed logic of some.


Oh please your logic is childish and you are doing nothing more than baiting. I will report you if you continue to discredit the hard work of many members here.

Grow up.


Report me, I am defending my stand point with logic, this logic is breaking your defence each time.

Deny Ignornace

You are displaying ignorance by not seeing that your argument is based on weak information at best and you also show ignorance in that you refuse to question yourself.

I believe a forum is a place where people come to give their opinion, a place of discussion. I am entitled to an opinion as you are entitled to incite majority dissapproval with such claims and threats.

You have lost your argument, take it on the chin and come back with something more compelling.

Peace.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
As has been stated, the original video has been changed. Unfortunately it was strung together. However those of us who watched it know what we saw.


How was it changed? Provide the original video please. There are a lot of people on this board claiming they saw this or that original video but no one backs it up with this supposed video. If you have it, then provide it. Otherwise, stop making claims you cannot back up and stop dismissing evidence simply because you do not like the source. It is a very weak argument.


Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
A video edited by the IDF is not impartial in any way.


Except that it matches video taken by the passengers/crew of the ship being bored. How do you account for that?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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Yeah, Skellon, Mr. Lizard has provided more logic and evidence here than you, all you have managed to do is agree with someone who claims this thread is racist rubbish and show how childish you are by discrediting this evidence with no counter evidence but by simply disregarding it and calling it stupid. To the guy who said this is not a good place for news that is wrong this is probably the best place for news because it always hits here first, then other major news outlets get it later, not in every case but in a lot of cases, you cannot the deny the news is here for you to read the rest is debate that you may or may not choose to participate in. To Mr. Lizard keep wiping the floor with these guys you're doing great, they are trying to discredit you but anyone with a brain can see their illogical reasoning is no match for solid documented evidence.
Edit: Just because you say someone has lost an argument Skellon doesn't make it so, so how bout you take your own advice and take your defeat on the chin.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by FearfulButInterested]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Dock9
 


So tear gas and stun grenades were used. Logic says the soldiers would not use them while they were on the boat. They must have used them before boarding. Why would they do that if they simply wanted to search the vessel?


I would take a stab at a safety measure to protect themselves in what is a vunerable insertion method.

Speculation: It is my belief based upon the evidence provided in this thread that this list that is referred to was a list of the 'known trouble makers'. This is why they took precautions when boarding the ship.

However this is only my opinion, we shall see as these events unfold and the dust settles.



[edit on 1-6-2010 by Skellon]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:54 AM
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It was posted many times. About page 5 I think. It was also stated by posters that the video has been run into a loop.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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The vessel had been searched numerous times, most probably in an attempt to avoid the sort of attack which happened

You seen 'Burning Conscience' on YouTube ... by the two young ex-IDF boys ?

Hope it won't be too long before one or more of the invading Israeli troops who attacked the aid-vessel will suffer a burning attack of conscience too --- and come clean, publicly

It's ultimately down to all of us, individually and then collectively, to bring insane leaders and their ilk to heel

One 'Burning Conscience' type video does more good than 200 UN meetings


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[edit on 1-6-2010 by Dock9]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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I have noticed most of your posts are just taking "stabs" as you have provided no evidence supporting any of your claims whereas other posters you have been discrediting have been providing evidence.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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Where is the video taken by passengers that matches it?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Anyone else notice the Israel apologist are also mentally deficient in critical thinking process ?

I have also witnessed this same trait in religious nutters.

Coincidence ?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Skeptron
I now see this board is no place for me to find any news. Israel was provoked, boarded the ship to check cargo, was attacked and had to respond with lethel force.


I think I mentioned something of the sort a while back. I don't believe Israel went in there with guns blazing and then they started encountering resistance from people with sticks and pipes trying to defend themselves against bullets. You can even here one of the activist telling people to back off because they were encountering live fire which is a clear indication the commandos were responding with lethal force to the resistance. But that doesn't justify anything. The first wrong that was committed was responsible for all the following wrongs that occurred. So as far as I can see, and I still could be wrong, Israel committed the first wrong by boarding the ship.... then all hell broke loose.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
Oh please your logic is childish and you are doing nothing more than baiting. I will report you if you continue to discredit the hard work of many members here.

Grow up.


The only one who needs to grow up here is you.

Every member has the right to disagree with any other member, every member has the right to provide evidence to support their opinion or evidence that counters another member's opinion. It is not a violation of T&C to "discredit" the opinion of members; in fact, it is the right of every member to do so.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by loner007
Yes i just seen the live footage of this atrocity. Israel will pay for this as there is on board european legistors on board one of the boats. I think its time Europe flexed its muscles and move ships to gaza and stick 2 fingers up to israel. I like to see Israel attack a real army. God damn cowards
[edit on 30/5/2010 by loner007]


Piracy on the High Seas is Piracy...PERIOD.
IS the United States "contracting out" its "Empire Building"?
Now that TURKEY is going to be the Head of Security Council on June 1...aren't they entitled to NATO protection against Israel...a NON-NATO party?

"An attack on one is an attack on all"?

What does NATO REALLY mean if the diplomatic backbone is not there to defend each other?
Can Turkey attack Greece again?
Is there ANY meaning to International Treaties when Israel, WITH Nuclear Weapons, remains a paranoid delusional Zionist and non-democratic state?

Gaza Aid Convoy Attacked MCSP

Bob...



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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He has continually provided evidence that has been fought against with no evidence and clearly has only been fought with biased opinions.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon
Report me, I am defending my stand point with logic, this logic is breaking your defence each time.


Then start doing so with real arguements please. So i can at least see what ever logic you are trying to offer me. I implore you to go back 80+ pages and start again.



Deny Ignornace


Get a spell checker, before you even start throwing that at me.



You are displaying ignorance by not seeing that your argument is based on weak information at best and you also show ignorance in that you refuse to question yourself.


How is eyewitness report weak information? How i live footage weak information? How is collecting the hundreds of links over a 24 hour period of time weak information?



I believe a forum is a place where people come to give their opinion, a place of discussion. I am entitled to an opinion as you are entitled to incite majority dissapproval with such claims and threats.


What threats? I am just simply saying what i've offered and donated, whereas all you can offer is childish rhetorts and terrible spelling.



You have lost your argument, take it on the chin and come back with something more compelling.


No i simply haven't. As i say go back through the 80+ pages and come back to me with something solid. I have done my hard work and i'm just about ready to sleep.

I hope when i wake up, you will have stopped trolling and actually made yourself useful on here by contributing as opposed to attacking.

Peace to you aswell. Good luck.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by thedeadtruth
" boarded the ship to check cargo "

Maybe keeping up with the news would be a good idea before commenting. Israel had already stated it did not intend to just "check the cargo". That is was in fact going to steal the cargo and kidnap the protesters.

I understand this makes your argument null and void, so you will find it hard to process. But please try anyway.


You mean arrest the protesters.

Again your making assumptions. Nowhere did I state the Israelis were just going to check the cargo. Nowhere did I say these things were identical to US Coast Guard operations. I made a point about the US Coast Guard operating in the US EEZ.

The protesters had made clear weeks in advance that they planned to violate Israeli law and run the blockade.

The Israelis tried to divert them and warned them multiple times. The runners ignored the warnings. Their unlawful behavior resulted in their arrests.

I guarantee if any of the news media tried to run the US Coast Guard blockade/quarantine currently involving British Petroleum in the Gulf of Mexico, they too would be boarded and arrested.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by FearfulButInterested
reply to post by Skellon
 


I have noticed most of your posts are just taking "stabs" as you have provided no evidence supporting any of your claims whereas other posters you have been discrediting have been providing evidence.


I have linked video footage with time references for posters to observe what I have noted.

Posters have linked some good quality links on here, others have linked a random blog.



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