reply to post by pavil
I assure you I am not a "Zionist Christian", but believe what you want. I don't think settlements on the West Bank nor Gaza are productive towards
a lasting peace. Israel has done many lunkheaded things....so have the Palestinians. I honestly don't think that either side thinks they started this
mess. It's kinda a moot point given how much blood has been spilled. Both sides would rather take revenge upon revenge upon revenge on the other. The
"eye for an eye" has quite literally left them both blind to the other.
I know you are not trying to take sides, but sometimes you have to, I bet you would take sides of the Allies when it comes to Hitler.
Due to the above quotation I'm thinking that you are thinking, the settlement expansion, nor the occupation was and is the problem which forced
Palestinians to take arms. Am I making a correct assumption here? If so, you are naive to believe that, read history, Palestinians did try to protest
these actions peacefully, but they were shot at and killed when they did, so what other options did they have available?
I also think it's quite disingenuous of you to claim the Palestinians to have tried "decades" of peaceful protest. On could very well claim that
the Second Intifada was quite possibly the biggest error that Arafat ever made. That blunder has caused the delay in a Palestinian State edging on 2
long decades of suffering when the prize was well within his grasp. History will look back at that time as a squandered chance. All Arafat had to do
was stay engaged and counteroffer, instead he chose this................
I guess you would want statistics to make you believe what I'm talking about right, I'll go do the research for you, just for you because you claim
you are not a Christian Zionist:
(I won't edit it, this is a response to another individual, but has all the information needed to refute the above claim, that Palestinians somehow
gained any rewards)
Expanding Jewish settlements is not protecting its citizens, continuing the occupation is not protecting its citizens.
Palestinians have peacefully protested these actions for a long time until the 2nd intifada when they just lost it and the extreme faction of the
Palestinian people were given the thumbs up to fight and defend the Palestinians.
After all that was the reason for choosing Hamas.
How can we solve the issue?
The issue can be solved when there is balance, when Israel's security is truly at risk, home made fireworks being thrown towards Israel is not a
security risk, car crashes kill more people in Israel than those home made fireworks.
That being said, once Israel truly sees security risk arising in regards to its continuous settlement expansions, and continuous occupations, that is
when it will come to the table and start negotiating for a peace plan.
Israel has nothing to gain from peace:
stirred an outburst of anger amongst Palestinians, exasperated by the stagnation of the peace process, as well as by the continuing occupation and
The violent repression of Palestinian demonstrations demanding the immediate ending of the occupation killed more than 200 Palestinians in one month,
of which one third was under 17 years old. To respond to this brutality, the Intifada became militarised as from the beginning of November
Palestinians peacefully protested for a long time, I feel for them.
Among the many reasons for the start of the second Palestinian intifada in September 2000, the massive expansion of Jewish settlements in the West
Bank and Gaza must count as the most important.
The 1993 Oslo Accords signed by the PLO and Israel were meant to reconcile Palestinian aspirations for self-determination and statehood and the
existence of Israel. In fact, an aggressive policy of settlement expansion and consolidation took place over the following seven years. More Arab
land was taken over and more Palestinian homes were bulldozed, more exclusively Jewish roa
In between the time of the Oslo Accord and the 2nd intifada:
When Yasser Arafat and Yitzak Rabin shook hands on the White House lawn in September 1993 there were about 115,000 Jewish settlers in West Bank and
Gaza. By the time of the second intifada seven years later there were more than 200,000 of them. Reports suggest another 1,500 families (17,000
people) have been added to this total during 2001, more than the 400 settler families that have moved back to Israel under the impact of the
And Seriously, GAZA:
Gaza, one of the most densely populated tracts of land in the world, is home to 1,178,000 Palestinians, 33 per cent of whom live in United
Nations-funded refugee camps.
Gaza is also home to 6,900 Jewish settlers. Yet the Israeli-controlled areas and settlements take up about 40 per cent of Gaza's land. Israel
controls all external borders, crossing points and major roads in Gaza.
No justice no peace, don't forget that.
I don't condone everything Israel does or has done, yet you seem to think that whatever the Palestinians do or have done is acceptable behavior.
I know, I'm just a Zionist Christian.................
Yes I do, I bet you would think that way also if you were being kicked out of your house, and your family because of Jewish settlement expansion.
That is why I always claim that arrogant people will never give a [snip] until they get [snip] themselves.
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