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Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

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posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon

Seriously, if they indeed fired shots before landing on deck, they were warning shots.

It makes sense, the ship was repeatedly requested to stop and it did not.

The defiance warranted a 'wake up' call as I see it from the IDF point of view.

So therefore they fired warning shots.



A reporter with the pan-Arab satellite channel Al-Jazeera, who was sailing on the Turkish ship leading the flotilla, said the Israelis fired at the vessel before boarding it, wounding the captain.

“These savages are killing people here, please help,” a Turkish television reporter said.

The broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, “Everybody shut up!”

dailycaller.com...

Warning shots. . That hit the captain of the vessel. Nice try.

Those "warning shots" were designed to decapitate the leadership of the vessel. A known assault tactic.

Warning shots. . ?


[edit on 6/2/2010 by clay2 baraka]




posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon




How can you call them murderers?


Because if you hadn't noticed 10+ people are dead, unless of course you are now claiming they all died by suicide or accidents?



Seriously, if they indeed fired shots before landing on deck, they were warning shots.


So tell me HOW were any of the crew to know? It was night time.



It makes sense, the ship was repeatedly requested to stop and it did not.


Sense yu say?
So does it not too make sense that the crew were defending themselves?
The also ship had no reason to stop, it wasn't in Israeli waters.




The defiance warranted a 'wake up' call as I see it from the IDF point of view.


Well there's 10+ people who won't be 'waking up' tomorrow.



So therefore they fired warning shots.


And what are the shots called that kill a man?



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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I'm in Australia and as some may know there were 5 Australians onboard.

Two of these were a reporter and cameraman. I just wonder how many cameras will be allowed out of Israel with all footage intact....

Interesting days ahead and maybe some answers.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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I don't know if this was posted here before, but I did not see it above- from the Jerusalem Post:


'Next time we'll use more force'
By YAAKOV KATZ, AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF
06/01/2010 13:41
Navy prepares for expected arrival of 2 more activist ships.
Photo by: IDF

Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

"We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war," the officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war."

The anonymous comment came the day after the Israeli Navy raided a flotilla of international aid ships headed to the Strip. Nine activists were killed in the raid, and dozens were injured.

The flotilla which arrived late Sunday night was comprised of six ships, and another two ships, including The Rachel Corrie, were expected to attempt to enter Israeli waters in the coming days.

Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement said earlier Tuesday that a cargo boat was already on the way to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

A second boat carrying about three dozen passengers was expected to join the first, she added.


www.jpost.com...

note: I already saved copies of that page just in case it "disappears" and I would advise readers to do the same.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon
It has already been stated that they were carrying 'live round' backup hand guns.

When they were given permission to use lethal force if their lives depended on it, they drew their handguns and eliminated their attempted killers.



Captain Huseyin Tokalak said the Israeli Navy had threatened to sink his ship, Gazze, before Israeli commandos took over the vessel at gun point, the Reuters news agency reported.

"They pointed two guns to the head of each of us," Tokalak told a news conference on Tuesday. "They were really interesting guns, like the ones you see in the movies."

www.presstv.ir...

Sounds like a handgun to me.


Perhaps the Captains were detained at paintball-point?



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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My prediction!!!

All people will be released...

But NO FOOTAGE of the event..

Israel will hold ALL footage for SECURITY purposes...

Any takers on a bet?? I'll give 2-1 odds....



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by virgom129
My prediction!!!

All people will be released...

But NO FOOTAGE of the event..

Israel will hold ALL footage for SECURITY purposes...

Any takers on a bet?? I'll give 2-1 odds....


Most will be released.

Some will disappear.

Only footage edited to support the official story will we get to see. . .



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by soleprobe
 


The word Holocast can now only reflect the jewish holocast..All others are atrocities I guess.


When ya really ponder about that.... it's really creepy... it's like we're all being mentally manipulated to look at a certain people differently than any other people on earth (even when they are murdered on mass) simply because of their race... Is that not induced racism by psychological manipulation? Those who are doing this mass psychological manipulation are extremely clever.... but also extremely evil.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by Skellon
Flotilla Massacre: Cynthia McKinney interviewed on CBC's Connect with Mark Kelley
www.youtube.com...

Thanks for the link soleprobe,

Mostly what I heard though was a woman hell bent on an anti-Israel rant to the point where the interviewer has to remind her to get back on topic.


You're welcome Skellon

Enjoyed the interview myself.... the CBC audience rarely get to hear that particular angle on things.

I notice many folks who are staunch supporters of the State of Israel seem to use the word "anti" a lot towards those who see things differently about Israel (i.e. anti-Israel or anti-Semitic). Let's say someone disagrees with Turkey but I agree with Turkey... should I call that person who disagrees with Turkey an "anti-Turkey" or an anti-Turkish? Imagine if all folks were labeled “anti” for every nation that they disagreed with? You’d have to put “anti” in front of the name of every nation on earth.



Hi soleprobe,

Many posters on here keep labelling Israel Zionist and then debate themselves as in a position opposed to zionsim.

Therefore they are 'anti-zionist'.

I do not disagree with the label of Zionist.

My frustration arrises when I am debating this issue at length with many posters that see the Arab-Israeli conflict as black and white.

To see such a historically complex situation as black and white rather than grey is not to understand it or shows they are not aware of the history of this difficult situation.

There is no 'innocent' party in this protracted conflict and yet the arguments that I respond to are heavily one sided without room for flexibility.

Quoting any Arabic sources as being fact and not even entertaining Isareli sources as they are obviously liars, murderers and evil.

It reminds me of Mohammed Al Sahaf back in 2003 when the coalition was steam rolling its way into Iraqs capital with little resistance;





[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:15 AM
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Well said and perfectly to the point.....

There were many bigger Holocasts that what happend with the jewish race, Russia and China are but two examples...

Why should one race have the sole right to the sympathy vote??



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon
I do not disagree with the label of Zionist.

My frustration arrises when I am debating this issue at length with many posters that see the Arab-Israeli conflict as black and white.

To see such a historically complex situation as black and white rather than grey is not to understand it or shows they are not aware of the history of this difficult situation.

There is no 'innocent' party in this protracted conflict and yet the arguments that I respond to are heavily one sided without room for flexibility.

Quoting any Arabic sources as being fact and not even entertaining Isareli sources as they are obviously liars, murderers and evil.


The above quote was very well stated and is very representative of what we see on this board.


I think both sides are committing grave atrocities. Unfortunately the western media tends to side with the Israeli media which is tightly controlled so that is what the average person sees. Most Arab media is garbage as well, but there is also much truth there, but it is almost always discounted.

It's hard to find the gems of truth from both sides when you are slogging through the manure of propaganda.


[edit on 6/2/2010 by clay2 baraka]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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Israeli forces kill three Palestinians
Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:47:54 GMT

The Israeli military has killed at least three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, a day after Israeli commandos killed 20 activists aboard six aid ships in international waters.

Medics in Gaza announced that the Palestinians were killed in northern parts of the strip on Tuesday, AFP reported.

The head of Gaza emergency services, Muawiya Hassanein, said the bodies were taken to a morgue in Gaza City.

Earlier in the day, Israeli forces killed two other Palestinians in Khan Younis.

The Israeli aggression against Palestinians comes one day after a raid on the Freedom Flotilla in international waters of the Mediterranean Sea, some 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The bloody assault, carried out by Israeli naval commandos, left at least 20 people dead and dozens others wounded, provoking angry protests by governments, organizations and people across the world.


www.presstv.ir...



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:25 AM
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Was it not already established earlier in this thread that the captain was shot after they boarded?

Will have to review the thread yet again....


I have read articles that state that there were warning shots fired, others on this thread have also quoted sources as stating there were 'warning shots' fired.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by rhunter


The Israeli military has killed at least three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, a day after Israeli commandos killed 20 activists aboard six aid ships in international waters.




3 terrorists killed in Gaza airstrike
By ASSOCIATED PRESS AND JPOST.COM STAFF 06/01/2010 17:17
Islamic Jihad says fighters shot down after firing Kassam rocket.

An Islamic militant group in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday said three of its members had been killed in an Israeli airstrike in northern Gaza.

The Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad group said its fighters were killed shortly after firing two rockets into southern Israel. Israeli authorities said the rockets landed in open areas and caused no injuries.

The IDF confirmed it had carried out an airstrike Tuesday, and Gaza's chief medical examiner said there were three deaths.

Tensions have been high since Israeli naval commandos boarded a flotilla carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists to Gaza on Monday, causing a violent clash. Nine activists were said to have been killed in the incident, and several IDF commandos were wounded.

Earlier on Tuesday, two would-be Palestinian terrorists were killed on the Gaza border as the IDF foiled an infiltration attempt. No casualties were reported among the troops.

"Two Palestinian terrorists were identified infiltrating into Israel from the southern Gaza Strip earlier this morning. The soldiers on the scene exchanged fire with the terrorists, killing them both," the IDF Spokesperson said of the event in a statement released later in the day.

Two AK-47 rifles, ten magazines and five grenades were found on the infiltrators' bodies.


www.jpost.com...

Hmmm- no rocket launchers (or "paintball guns") found on the bodies...



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by clay2 baraka
 


Was it not already established earlier in this thread that the captain was shot after they boarded?

Will have to review the thread yet again....


I have read articles that state that there were warning shots fired, others on this thread have also quoted sources as stating there were 'warning shots' fired.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]


I think it is likely that several Captains were shot. Some before, some after. That would explain much confusion. We won't know positively until more eyewitness reports come in. .



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by rhunter
Hmmm- no rocket launchers (or "paintball guns") found on the bodies...


Why would the Palestinians have paintball guns?



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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I don't side with ether side but have noticed that some of the so called peaceful protestors on the ship had and were wearing gas mask.

In the US all police departments that respond to and watch over peaceful protest will arrest anyone that shows up wearing a gas mask.
In the US wearing a gas mask to a peaceful protest is the sign of a agitator.


The same goes for the UK and Copenhagen from what i have heard.
www.greenspun.com...
www.facebook.com...
www.starhawk.org...
freakangels.com...
climatechangestuff.com...



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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Israel is America's ally and friend?

Is it possible that Americans are so heavily conditioned to feel so and can't shake off this yoke without feeling guilty?

Refusing a holocousted friend?






posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:36 AM
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Actually they sent in gunships with guns blazing. Then had the Airforce come in and blew the # out of them while they jammed all outgoing signals from the stricken ships....Then shot the sailors while they were in liferafts..

Ahhh, hang on , that was the Liberty...Sheesh age messes with my timeline...Israel wouldn't do that...



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Skellon

Quoting any Arabic sources as being fact and not even entertaining Isareli sources as they are obviously liars, murderers and evil.

It reminds me of Mohammed Al Sahaf back in 2003 when the coalition was steam rolling its way into Iraqs capital with little resistance;

A little comedy for you there.


Ya I remember that
... As he was talking I was waiting for a bomb to drop through the ceiling...


When you say "Arabic sources" or "Israeli sources"... those are coming from groups of insiders who we really know nothing about and, quite frankly, they couldn't give a crap about you or I....

They want to trick me into looking at one of them as me and me as one of them when they don't give a crap about me at all because they don't even know who I am. The only "source" I can turn to is the individual faces, that are like mine, who are suffering... not some fat faced glutton propped up in front of a microphone on my TV.



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