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Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Obvious

Originally posted by xSeraphim
Logic would say they should have contacted the ship and tell the captain to stop but nah they had to send commando's and hope that people would go down peacefully.


You mean like this?



I guess instructions on which port to dock at to deliver aid just apparently were not good enough.

No timestamp sorry to say but it's fishy so i will sit on the fence and see what others think.




posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Israel had NO right or authority at ALL

If you scroll back, you'll read about the whole 'legality' issue

You'll learn that isreal, for self serving reasons, has insisted it is NOT an occupying force in Gaza

Only IF israel were the occupying force, could it hope to legitimise a blockade

Therefore, having insisted to the UN, etc. that it is NOT an occupying force in Gaza --- isreal had NO right to claim it had mounted a blockade

and had even less right to say a single WORD about anything at all to the aid flotilla

But hey, it's israel, right. So it mounted a phony, illegal 'blockade' claim on Gaza

then used that phony blockade to raid the aid flotilla .... and to MURDER civilians .... and to KIDNAP and IMPRISON the survivors .... and to STEAL their possessions .... and to LIE to the world to save its stinking, parasitic skin

The world doesn't believe a word out of isreal's lying mouth



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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It'll be fascinating to see how Israel reacts, and how long it takes for Americans to wake the f up and start demanding answers from their government.

We're doing it in the UK. There are thousands preparing to march on London to demand that our government break ties with this maniac state. And we're not even the public bank-rolling their attacking forces.

It sickens me that there is international outrage when N.Korea sinks a S.Korean ship, and yet when Israel violently attacks a peaceful mission in international waters, the UK and USA are surprisingly reluctant to utter a word!
And no, saying that it is "unfortunate" is not enough. It's pathetic and it shows a clear weakness. Both the USA and the UK governments should be ashamed for being such pathetic wimps.

We are consistently reminded of how purely disgusting the Israeli regime is. They act against the international community with abandon, doing what they like and then denying everything.
They have one of the most powerful propaganda machines on Earth, even if it is completely obvious to even the most brain-dead westerner.
Within hours of this event the internet was teeming with pro-Israel propagandists lying through their teeth about what happened. They seemingly attacked Facebook, Twitter and many news sites trying to overwhelm the clear anger of the international community.
I even saw a suggestion that the BBC took down their "Have your say" on the subject from their site because they were being bombarded from Israel.

And to top it all off they are an UNKNOWN nuclear threat. What, we can make demands of other nations but somehow Israel are not included? F that!

I really do hope that Turkey takes the lead here, and that other states might remove their differences and allow peaceful co-operation in the face of this new international enemy.

Make no mistake, Israel in this one act has shown the world exactly what they think of the international community. They have no regard for Human Rights, no consideration for International Law and absolutely no moral code whatever.

Unless people wake up to this now, and we force our governments to take action to isolate Israel, we will certainly regret it.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Wonder how many survivors of the Liberty will get that deja vu feeling from this latest israel caper ?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Dock9
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Wonder how many survivors of the Liberty will get that deja vu feeling from this latest israel caper ?

It is a sad world we live in my friend but we have to do our best to protect the truth.
Our goverment also covers up the events of 1989 to protect the people that still live.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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Another aid ship due on Wednesday

Israel's mouthed off as usual and threatened it will take even tougher measures

The world is watching

Go on Israel -- stitch yourself up completely. Then the US won't need to pretend you have the right to investigate yourself for your misdeeds. Finish yourself off for good. Then get out of everyone's sight



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Well, as far as I can tell the MSM has already begun it's campain to deflect attention from the flotilla.

Already are appearing new reports of TERRORISTS being killed and arrested, like AL QAEDA's # 3 death reported on CNN.

All the same old from MSM IMO, remind the sheeple that terrorism is bad, thus making Israel's actions 'necessary'.

edit to add: Sorry if this is a lil offtopic, but it seems that the MSM is gearing up it's pro Israeli campaing

[edit on 1/6/2010 by MorfeuZ]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheCoffinman



ok what does this show exactly... as far as i can tell... nothing


You are correct it shows nothing, and nothing conclusive but is simply an attempt to use captions to tell a story.

Not only can you see nothing in the video, but it's clear the people shouting (presumably) Israeli troops can see nothing either.

Note how one claims there is gunfire, while another questions if they are 'real' weapons being used against them, while once again someone claims that they are, which prompts the figure in the video to say from where, since obviously that individual can't detect it, someone answers back, that the gun fire is coming from below, presumably a deck or more down, yet it's obvious that responder can not see what is transpiring a deck or two down, the figure in the foreground says then should I shoot, with the last reply being negative, and it's unclear whether the negative means do not shoot, or the confusion about reports of gunfire a deck bellow are being discounted as negative.

Either way what you have is the 'fog' of war, where obviously panicked soldiers are in bedlam looking for some leadership to direct them and not having much luck.

So in reality the video shows little to nothing, except trying to paint a picture through captions, to lead the viewer to draw a conclusion that the video itself does not even come close to supporting.

That's called propaganda.



[edit on 1/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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www.youtube.com...

Looks like them soldiers were under attack...



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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WE'd probably be a lot healthier

if we stopped calling them 'our governments'

We might grow stronger mental muscles if we referred to them appropriately --- as our overpaid traitors perhaps ?

When israel takes a break from its ritual bloodlust, we might have time enough to come up with some suitable titles for those we're still mistakenly calling 'our governments'



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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I would invite you to read an excellent article posted at the following web site: www.Informationdissemination.net

It clearly criticizes the political stupidity of the Israeli government. However, it also clearly and concisely describes the legal basis by which Israel acted. While you may not like what happened and the eventual outcome, which is your right, and I might agreed to some degree, please try to tone down the rhetoric and hyperbole a bit...........

If I may be allowed to quote from the article liberally.......

"Was the Boarding Legal?

Under international law, the consensus of the maritime attorney's I have spoken to is that the boarding operation by Israel was legal. The coast of Gaza has been under maritime blockade by Israel, a blockade that was well known - indeed running the maritime blockade for political purposes was the specific intent of the protesters. It is why the press had been reporting all week that the situation was likely leading towards a confrontation. Is anyone surprised that Israel had an established maritime blockade and enforced that maritime blockade? I'm certainly not, Israel made clear all week that the flotilla would not be allowed to pass.

The maritime blockade is a result of the war between Israel and Hamas. Ones political position on that ongoing war is completely irrelevant to the reality that the maritime blockade was established. Knowledge of the maritime blockade by the protesters is also not in debate, and neither is knowledge the flotilla intended to violate the blockade - they made this clear themselves in the press. Once the flotilla made it clear in the press they intended to run the maritime blockade, according to international law, and even US law, the flotilla was considered to be in breach by attempting to violate the blockade.

It was at that point the IDF had legal authority - under international maritime law governing maritime blockades during wartime - to board the vessels and prevent the vessels from running the blockade. Yes, this action may legally be taken in international waters if those waters are recognized as part of the area under the maritime blockade. It is important to note that the action took place within the zone that was publicly known to be part of the maritime blockade of Gaza, and part of that zone is in international waters.

Whether it was a good decision by Israel to board the vessels is a political question, not a legal question. The outcome of the incident should not surprise anyone part of the maritime security community, indeed it highlights the inherent dangers that exist in political protests by sea. Sea based protests may be civilian political activities, but running a maritime blockade is not a political activity that engages law enforcement, rather it is a political activity against a military force exercising and activity governed by the laws of war - in other words, the protesters attempting to run the blockade could legally be argued to describe an act of war against Israel".



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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simply an attempt to use captions to tell a story.



A very apt description




Israel's locked up the survivors which has given israel stolen time in which to try to brainwash the world with spin and doctored film

but you're right

the end result is a fail and 'simply an attempt to use captions to tell a story, aka 'to tell lies'



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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They behave as if what people will say really mattered to them


They are on a heavy trip.

Keeping them busy, that's it!



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Dont believe a line from Israeli media at this moment! ( Including Reuters )

Truth is not our previlege before prisoners are free and questioned by international community.

Before that - everything is just Zionist propaganda - All we really know is that Israel has violated badly international laws and should be punnished from their obviously happened actions.

Damn them!



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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For every opinion spewed forth in an attempt to whitewash israel, there are ten than condemn israel

Israel has fought tooth and nail with the UN in order to establish that it (israel) is not an 'occupying force' in Gaza

The UN attempted to impose the 'occupying force' label to israel. Isreal resisted. For self serving reasons, obviously

Now, only if Israel were the occupying force, would it be able to legitimise a blockade

You claim even the flotilla 'recognised' isreal had blockaded Gaza

But what you and I know is that for years, isreal has been posturing re: blockades. I've gone through this already, as you're aware

Isreal has been playing it both ways, as usual. It wants the authority to blockade. But it doesn't want the legal and financial ramifications of being an occupying force within gaza

So, it's been claiming the blockade is legal. And the flotilla have referred to it as a 'blockade' because technically, that's what israel has imposed

But that blockade is NOT legal. Israel cannot legitimise it without also undertaking the role of official occupying force in gaza

Israel doesn't want to do the latter. But it wants to assume the right to impose blockade

Israel had no authority to blockade gaza or prevent the aid ships from delivering to gaza

Now israel has murdered civilians in cold blood. The world knows it. Israel knows it


and in future, don't presume to tell me how to compose my posts

The pretence of arrogance exhibited by the Online Troops is just another of their irritating affectations, but cut no ice with me



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by xSeraphim

Originally posted by Captain Obvious

Originally posted by xSeraphim
Logic would say they should have contacted the ship and tell the captain to stop but nah they had to send commando's and hope that people would go down peacefully.


You mean like this?



I guess instructions on which port to dock at to deliver aid just apparently were not good enough.

No timestamp sorry to say but it's fishy so i will sit on the fence and see what others think.


Fishy does not say the half of it. The truth is that if the Israelis had actually wanted those ships to go into Ashad, you simply radio and say "You have been cleared to dock in Ashad, permission to send harbor pilots aboard your vessel to steer it through and to port and dock".

This is a sales pitch shot after the fact on what has to be the quietest ship at sea and naval radio known to man.

Watch how easy this really would be "Good news! You have been cleared to dock in Ashad, harbor pilots are standing by to come about your vessels to pilot them in!"

Where this video fails is it includes way to much information about how the supplies would then be transported and delivered and how Israel supports the whole process.

In military operations like sales you say the least amount of information that people could object or say no to, or would lead to questions or disagreement.

You are looking to do one thing and one thing only, establish control, for controls sake.

This is not what we are seeing in this video, but an elaborate appeal for propagandas sake, almost certainly shot after the event.

Once more a video released by Israel with captions to set the stage in the beginning to draw the conclusion for the viewer.

This is propaganda.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by JanusFIN
Dont believe a line from Israeli media at this moment! ( Including Reuters )

Truth is not our previlege before prisoners are free and questioned by international community.

Before that - everything is just Zionist propaganda - All we really know is that Israel has violated badly international laws and should be punnished from their obviously happened actions.

Damn them!



Man, I'm watching CNN right now, and it's full gear on propaganda.
The tone really changed, yesterday they were a bit neutral, but now they are showing their true colors.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Laugh at them ! It will do you the world of good



Zionist propaganda is losing badly these days, lol. To the extent they now have to beg their online wastes of time to 'manage' israel's ruptured reputation in forums

Newspapers ... lol, even the supermarkets can't GIVE them away

TV and tv-news --- people wouldn't be seen dead consuming the tripe

So much for the zionists scrabbling away all those years to achieve 96% of media ownership, lol. They've got what they deserve -- a putrid sow's ear that they couldn't give away these days


So now israel's foul reputation is hanging on the talents of people with nothing better to do all day than to quote the Israeli Online Troops' Manual, lol

Pay peanuts, get monkeys

Cheap is as cheap does

Israel would fare better without the services of the Megaphone crowd. But israel isn't too bright, so it will take it years to work it out, and by then, there will be no such place as 'israel'

That's funny, you have to admit



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[edit on 1-6-2010 by Dock9]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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Lebanon's military fired anti-aircraft artillery at Israeli warplanes that were flying over Lebanon, a senior Israeli security official said on Tuesday.

"Our aircraft have been targeted by the Lebanese anti-aircraft guns while flying over southern Lebanon, and there was no damage," the official who requested the anonymity told AFP.

A military spokesperson neither confirmed nor denied the report.

www.google.com...



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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If you have the time and can be bothered

the way to fix things is to contact those who advertise on tv

Tell them how you feel and for the clincher, let them know you won't buy or recommend the products/services of companies with such little moral fibre that they support this or that tv channel or announcer or talking head, or political bias, etc.


Every letter like that to various advertisers KILLS tv just that little bit more

tv needs you

companies who advertise on tv need you

you are their bread and butter

you have a lot of power ... a lot. Collectively, we're more powerful than, say, Turkey

So flex your muscles. Encourage others to do likewise



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