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Prove you are real and bring about the rapture already!

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:02 PM
Has anyone noticed how atheism has become a religion?

I believe in God but:

I don't hate gays.
I don't accept the policy of the Christian elite.
I hold unorthodox views on abortion(unorthodox even for the pro choice camp, they get mad at me too).
I love my guns, so I'll give you that one.
I don't like republicans any more than I like democrats.
I do not support Israel's government.
I do not agree with either the war in Iraq or Afghanistan.

I am well educated, I believe god gave us reason not religion. I believe that God created the universe and everything in it to evolve over time. It would be a boring universe if nothing ever changed. I believe the Bible mentions the 'Upright Walking Man' and the phrase 'Let there be light' sounds a lot like the big bang to me.

When you generalize all you end up with is a blanket lie to cover everything you perceive is wrong with the world. The world is made up of individuals, every one of us experiences life and faith in different ways. Some us never truly live, and some of us never know the importance of faith to a conscience being.

We only argue about mechanics these days, To me science is the method of explaining how God did it's work.

posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:14 PM
reply to post by projectvxn

Wow! That was a great post. Star 4 U!

That was truly fantastic, and while I disagree with you on the whole gun situation, other than that you made alot of sense to me. Obviously the whole, 'let there be light' part could have had a philosophical and metaphorical meaning since the sun rises every morning, but the one about walking upright made me stop for a minute.

IMO there could be a god and there probably is, but organized religion is rather crazy and has led to many serious problems throughout history. Did you know that during the Jefferson Administration it was the lowest point in American history for church attendance? I just don't like the Religious because of their political and social views upon the world. I have no problem with people who believe in god, just the people who want to force their religious views on others.

posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:20 PM
reply to post by Soup or Fly

"Also real Christianity is the only faith that requires total dependence on God, all other religions (and atheism is a religion whether you like it or not) are dependent on self more than God. You have to work for your salvation."

You might want to tell that to the Muslims killing themselves and others just to get in good with Allah. Maybe let the Jews know that it's okay to give up their religious laws, they might as well enjoy the taste of bacon and lobster before they only know the taste of sulfur and brimstone. Don't forget to inform the Buddhists that they just look silly trying to achieve spiritual enlightenment through the sacrifice of a material life, they'll have an eternity to meditate in the lake of fire. I'm not sure what you should tell the Hindus, as they believe that a person must reincarnate again and again on this earth until they reach enlightenment, and even the most sane of humans would be hard pressed to tell the difference between an eternity on earth or an eternity in hell.

Edit: I guess I misunderstood what you were saying, and passed right over the whole "In true Christianity God is the only thing that saves you it's nothing you can do but only what Christ did for you." bit. So I guess you do believe in everything I just erroneously wrote, and all one must do to achieve spiritual enlightenment is to believe in Jesus. If that's the case, I'd rather accept hell and suffer for my own sins, instead of letting someone else take the fall for me. As should be evident to everyone in this world, a person doesn't learn from his mistakes if he doesn't accept the consequences of them.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by Torgo]

posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:29 PM
reply to post by projectvxn

Maybe, in a few decades, we'll see the First WW between two atheist countries, willing to impose its atheism on the other one...
"My non-god's way's better than yours!"

posted on May, 30 2010 @ 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Misoir
Gee Wilma I wonder how we came into existence. It was definitly from a guy and a gal who were created by dirt, a rib and a mystical being.

You're so right! It is much better to believe inanimate matter simply magically came alive and from one tiny whatever it was, in actuality, it diversified into all we see that lives...

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:05 AM
reply to post by Torgo

why would you want to spend eternity suffering than accept Christ??? I fear for all these people in other religions.... and that is where Mark 16:15 comes into play where it says "....Go into all the world and preach the gospel." It is those in the Christian faith's responsibility to go into the world and preach the gospel.... however we do fail majorly in this aspect. We as Christians are never going to be perfect and we never try to be... because we all fall short all the time.... I sin everyday and there is nothing I can do about it... it is in our nature..... however i do not have to worry about losing my salvation if I don't live the perfect life because it is not because of me that I'm going to heaven but again because of Christ.... He sacrificed himself to save me..... and for that i try to live a holy and descent life by trying to follow the 10 commandments.... the keyword being trying..... again we will never be perfect till we get to heaven... and God knows that and that's why he sent His Son to die for me

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:15 AM
reply to post by Soup or Fly

I respect your beliefs, but for some reason I just can't accept someone else suffering for my sins. I also can't accept the thought of anyone suffering for an eternity in hell while those in heaven look on with indifference. If I were a Christian, I would ask God to send me to hell so I could try to give some sort of comfort to those who suffer endlessly, especially those that suffer for something as petty as praying before the wrong altar.

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 04:12 AM
Overzealous believers are the reason for the OP. Overzealous athiests (and defensives like OP) are equally to blame for the divide.

To me the existence of God is an ongoing investigation and a journey within. It is not about saying "I'm right and you're wrong", which causes division. Nor is it about "saving" others from certain hell (who are you to judge - leave God's plan alone) It is not about worship of a book made by man. (Was God not around before any of these books and their protagonists? It seems so silly to me...)

If there is a God, He made all religions and athiesm, too. Therefore, believers, why would you doubt His plan and choose to interfere by calling down athiests? Non-believers, as long as you are not under attack, why would you speak out against people who choose faith?

You don't have to pick this book or that book. Balance your energy and you will have found the true light. Athiests and believers, mono and polytheistic, can meditate and tap into the exact same thing.

Don't you see we are all the same?

Some people choose truth, some people choose faith. Faith is a lot less complicated... but beware of where you might unknowingly be led.

[edit on 2010-5-31 by sandwiches]

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:33 AM

Originally posted by wylekat
I think those articles are fulla BS and skewed 56 ways to Sunday. People are turning AWAY from religion- because of the crap they get put thru.

Anyone on here wanna disagree or agree with me?

More or less people are converting to Deism. It is on the rise!

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Misoir
Atheism leads to superstition, says Americans

This is the most hilarious statement I thought I'd ever heard. Until I clicked the link and revealed the gems inside. How disappointed I am in my fellow citizens

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:04 AM
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

"Oh no... Free minds... Be afraid!"

"They might seek truth!"


(Dramatization may not have actually happened)

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:10 AM

Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

"Oh no... Free minds... Be afraid!"

"They might seek truth!"


(Dramatization may not have actually happened)

The article links to another which suggests that atheism causes more superstition. They validate this by claiming that atheists more likely believe in palm readers and the like.

It seems as if those making this claim seem upset that they're losing valuable credulous souls.

posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:39 AM
this page is for the true christian king...just follow the link

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 05:10 AM
reply to post by Aresh Troxit

You're so right! It is much better to believe inanimate matter simply magically came alive and from one tiny whatever it was, in actuality, it diversified into all we see that lives...

Check this out

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 10:09 AM
Sounds like the rant of an Athiest. "Throw all the survey results out there we can find, quick!"

I don't buy into statistics when you do it, or when the government does it. They are never accurate, ever.

Poll 100 people, from a group you selet to aid your findings. And suddenly 100 people speak for the world.

I also REALLY don't care if theres national prayer. We already have it for the most part. National prayer is not the same as forced legislation requiring you to prayer... Look for something with teeth to fight, not the gums of a baby.

And why do you have to insult Christians en mass? I don't believe the rapture is real unless it's aliens doing abductions 4400 style.

That doesn't mean my ego requires I go out and directly challenge a peaceful religion of others, simply because those who claim to follow it obviously don't.

Theres a special place in the world for people who attempt to discredit to faith of an entire people, because of the actions of those WHO DO NOT SPEAK for them.

We do it for Islam.
You do it for Christians.

What's the difference?

Do you even have a point? It seems like a laundry list of inflated statistics to poke fun of Christians.

Nothing more.

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 10:16 AM

Originally posted by wylekat
People are turning AWAY from religion- because of the crap they get put thru.

Anyone on here wanna disagree or agree with me?

I've seen people turn towards it for the same reason.
It is easy to give in to things with guidance, torture and spoon feeding.

My advice is do laps around the crap a couple times, come out of it feeling minty fresh after some brain activity.


posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 10:20 AM
reply to post by Misoir

Your stats are interesting, and do come from a variety of sources.

However, the title of your thread is inflammatory. Christian extremists are bad enough as it is--don't rattle their cage.

In addition, you irritate the moderate, sensible Christians. Well done. Are you trying to annoy everyone?

Why are you trying to pick a fight? You are becoming what you hate: Intolerant.

Anyway, atheism is the same as Christianity in that it draws conclusions based on insufficient data.

For most of us, agnosticism is the most honest way to go. I.e. WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 10:47 AM
reply to post by projectvxn

Atheism isn't turning into a religion and could never turn into one. Religion requires 4 things: Tradition, Rituals, Symbols and Canon.

What atheism has that religion also has is dogma. Many atheists are incredibly dogmatic. And considering nearly every problem arising from religious mindsets is dogmatic thinking, it's hilariously ironic.

reply to post by rizla

That's funny considering agnosticism isn't a spiritual position.

If you don't believe in any form of deity, regardless whether or not you believe we can understand such a being, you're an atheist. So you're an agnostic atheist.

Really people, you can't JUST be agnostic. Gnostic and Agnostic is not a spiritual position, it's an epistemological position on a spiritual matter.

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Misoir
I'm going to have ALOT of fun with this thread. I'm going to give facts and opinion. I hope you like it.

We all know America is a Christian nation according to statistics.

83% say god answers prayers, 57% support national prayer

National prayer? Where the hell are we, the Islamic Republic of Iran!?

Fewer than 4 in 10 believe in evolution

Gee Wilma I wonder how we came into existence. It was definitly from a guy and a gal who were created by dirt, a rib and a mystical being.

48% would not vote for an Atheist

Sure we can have a gay black catholic woman in office, but you show us an Atheist and we will say blasphemy!

Atheism leads to superstition, says Americans

“It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense, and can’t see things as they are.”

Okay.. We're the ones who lack common sense while you run around speaking to your hands and hoping for an imaginary being to come down and help you?

Christian Right

Opposition to
Divorce in general
Homosexuality in general
Same-sex marriage
Same-sex civil unions
Adoption of children by same-sex couples
Hate Crime legislation that includes homosexuals as a protected group
Acknowledged homosexuals as teachers, soldiers, pastors, or politicians
Some members of the Christian right, such as Exodus International, believe that homosexuals can be rehabilitated to heterosexuality by means of prayer, faith, or interaction with God and the Christian community. There is the growing idea of "loving the sinner, not the sin".[47]
Premarital sex
Use of Contraceptives
Birth Control (Catholics but not usually Protestants)
Emergency contraceptive methods
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
International cooperation
United Nations
Olympic Games
Strong opposition to strong international trade
Legalization of Marijuana
Social Welfare Legislation

Could you imagine how boring your weekend would be in a country run by people like this? I guarantee you suicide would skyrocket!

63% of Americans support Israel

It's okay go ahead and mass murder, steal and imprison innocent people, we'll defend you because Jesus says you are the chosen people.

If they are the chosen people by god(not all Israelis are bad) then god if pretty f**ked up.

Irreligion by country

76% in Estonia
55% in Netherlands
43% in France
26% in Canada
20% in USA

Any suprise that the USA is at the bottom? The big picture here is that most Americans believe in a supernatural being whether they are religious or not.

Atheism by country

77% in Sweden
66% in France
62% in United Kingdom
47% in Germany
25% in Canada
9% in USA

Wow! Only 9% compared to our 'sister country' United Kingdom at 62%. I guess they're all communists right?

Religious strongly support Republicans

Do we need anymore reason than this to wish them away?

I think we are seeing a very critical time in history where the radicals of all religions are starting to grow in numbers and power. At the same time the non-religious are growing in numbers too. Within t

posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:15 PM
maybe he can explain it to you

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