Separate Studies Conclude: Atheism = Peace, Religiosity = Higher Sociological Problems

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Communism - Atheism and Amorality

Oh yes, Hitler liked dogs therefore all dog-lovers must be fascist.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
From my view of the world (athiest), I'd tend to agree...

Well so far i disagree with the notion that atheism leads to a more peaceful society. I don't think any one ideology is truly capable of leading to a more peaceful society in the empirical world. You will always have dissenters and rabblerousers regardless of religion and atheism. Stalin and hitler were Atheists. But so are many great scientists and philosophers. The same holds true with christianity, there have been villains but there have also been prominent scientific and philanthropic minds. Therefore, to claim that one or the other leads to an overall favorable outcome would require extraordinary evidence. That aside the rest of your post following that i think you've laid out a fairly reasonable and agreeable opinion. Bare in mind i am a "believer"

I find that to be intellectually dishonest, cheap, infantile, and generally offensive to the god they worship who gave them a brain for a reason.

Peace
KJ

Amen to that brother. That is the biggest hurdle i run into when debating with Young earth creationists. Simple logic leads us to the conclusion that if God's work is observable and self-evident then it stands to reason that sciences conclusions in regards to the age of the earth, biological evolution and the creation of the universe are the observations of how god created us and how he intended for the universe to work. So if science says that there is evidence that we evolved from a common ancestor with modern day Apes then it stands to reason that god created us from apes. If god didn't want us to know the true age of the earth or other things that could potentially refute the bible, his supposed word, then we would not have the ability to question it.

Originally posted by Annee
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In my experience - Atheists/Pagans/Agnostics - - - rarely bring up the subject of their belief.

You do know that there is a big difference between Atheists, Pagans, and Agnostics right? Yet you are puting them together as if they were the same thing.

In an Atheist world there can't be Paganism, or even Agnosticism. ALL forms of SPIRITUALITY are denied in an Atheist world.

Originally posted by john124

Communism - Atheism and Amorality

Oh yes, Hitler liked dogs therefore all dog-lovers must be fascist.

Yet what Hitler did, which was horrendous, was nothing in comparison to what ATHEISTS have done to the world...

Hitler murdered 6-10 million people, meanwhile Atheists have murdered over 110 million people.

i am not trying to downplay what Hitler, and other maniacs have done, but the claim that Atheism is peaceful is nothing but a sham when history has shown that atheists are capable of worse things than non-atheists.

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Annee
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In my experience - Atheists/Pagans/Agnostics - - - rarely bring up the subject of their belief.

You do know that there is a big difference between Atheists, Pagans, and Agnostics right? Yet you are puting them together as if they were the same thing.

In an Atheist world there can't be Paganism, or even Agnosticism. ALL forms of SPIRITUALITY are denied in an Atheist world.

I have found that those who have no reason to control others - tend to mind their own business.

That is the connection to those three.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
And Atheism not only tries to destroy religions, but any sense of spirituality within individuals.

An atheist world would be a world of robots, where people are not spiritual beings, but are only biological and materialistic.

That's funny....

it really is...

We don't need religions to be spiritual, especially the strong minded.

Science does not equal atheism - I wonder how many times that's had to be said on ATS.

Forget electronic robots....do you consider artificial life based on DNA to have the same potential life forces, emotions and spirituality as humans?

Hitler was an atheist?

You sure?

Originally posted by Annee

I have found that those who have no reason to control others - tend to mind their own business.

That is the connection to those three.

Pagans, and Agnostics want to keep their beliefs alive, meanwhile Atheists want to control the world and make everyone into an atheist. So who really wants to control the world?

I was raised a Catholic, but I have walked many paths. I have taken refuge with a Buddhist monk learning the history, and principles of Buddhism, yet I decided not to take the vows to become Buddhist.

You want to claim that Atheists want to mind their own business when they want an Atheist world? when they want to abolish all sense of spirituality?...

Paganism, and Agnosticism are spiritual paths.

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Originally posted by Annee
Hitler was an atheist?

You sure?

Where in the world did I say he was?...

Please learn to comprehend what people write.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

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through topics of discussion. i dont particularly like to discuss mindless things, so i tend to get into political and religious discussions with various people. and i do that quite often. the atheists i've met are VERY clear about the fact that they're an atheist. VERY clear. they advertise it just like a christian advertises their faith. i find that atheists (or at least those i've encountered) have pretty much the same attitude as religious people, just arguing a different perspective. they still argue it with me, they still try and push their atheist stuff down my throat, they put up signs on buses and billboards...they dont understand the concept of "leave people alone to believe what they want". every atheist i've ever met has been trying to change my mind. even the nicer ones. every last one of them tries to "convert" me to atheism. most of them are rude and aggressive about it, and try to talk to me with a really condescending tone and a narcissistic attitude.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

In an Atheist world there can't be Paganism, or even Agnosticism. ALL forms of SPIRITUALITY are denied in an Atheist world.

Agnostics are also atheists. Murders can also be atheists, murderers can also be theists.... although the evidence suggests that in modern day society that atheists are generally more at peace with the world and themselves.

Yet what Hitler did, which was horrendous, was nothing in comparison to what ATHEISTS have done to the world...
Hitler murdered 6-10 million people, meanwhile Atheists have murdered over 110 million people

You mean communists, not atheists. You're using indirect connections to make direct associations or relations. To blame their dis-belief in god for their actions is as silly as blaming their interests in food, wine or pets for their actions.

Religious people commit crimes based on the unwillingess of other tribes to toe the line, and use people's religion as a form of manipulation.

Originally posted by john124

We don't need religions to be spiritual, especially the strong minded.

Science does not equal atheism - I wonder how many times that's had to be said on ATS.

Forget electronic robots....do you consider artificial life based on DNA to have the same potential life forces, emotions and spirituality as humans?

Yet atheism is the absence of all spirituality. Atheism is not only the disbelief in any deities, but the disbelief in spirituality.

You can teach a robot to try to act human, but in the end it cannot have emotions.

BTW, there are many scientists who belief in one form of spiritual awakening, or another.

Science tries to look for awnsers, in the same manner that spiritual beings try to make sense of their existence.

Originally posted by john124
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

 

the atheists that i've come across have been some of the rudest, intolerant, ignorant people i've met

Any examples?

"Atheists" are only atheists because theists exist. If theists hadn't invented the idea of god, then non-believers wouldn't need such a labelling.

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i've had people flat out tell me that im stupid for being agnostic. they've ridiculed me for believing that humans have a soul. they've made fun of me because i believe in reincarnation. they wont accept it. they think that you're stupid for believing in something that you cant prove. they assume that if science cannot prove it...then it doesnt exist. but i firmly believe that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. i like to maintain the stance that i simply dont know. and truthfully...none of us do. we form ideas and theories based on experiences and the evidence and discoveries that we've made to date. but no one actually knows for sure if there is a god or not. or if there is a soul, or if there is reincarnation. no one knows for sure. and they talk as if they have all the information that the universe has to offer and if you dont side with them then you're just stupid and not worthy of their time. its just ridiculous the discussions i've had with these people. the only other time i've seen that level of arrogance on a subject that none of us know about is from the religions.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Annee
Hitler was an atheist?

You sure?

Where in the world did I say he was?...

Please learn to comprehend what people write.

Do you see where that particular post is addressed to any individual poster?

I don't either. Your anger seems to be blinding you.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Annee

I have found that those who have no reason to control others - tend to mind their own business.

That is the connection to those three.

Pagans, and Agnostics want to keep their beliefs alive, meanwhile Atheists want to control the world and make everyone into an atheist. So who really wants to control the world?

I was raised a Catholic, but I have walked many paths. I have taken refuge with a Buddhist monk learning the history, and principles of Buddhism, yet I decided not to take the vows to become Buddhist.

You want to claim that Atheists want to mind their own business when they want an Atheist world? when they want to abolish all sense of spirituality?...

Paganism, and Agnosticism are spiritual paths.

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All I'm going to say now is:

I Do Not agree with you.

Originally posted by john124
Agnostics are also atheists. Murders can also be atheists, murderers can also be theists.... although the evidence suggests that in modern day society that atheists are generally more at peace with the world and themselves.

Really? aatheists are more at peace with the world and themselves when an atheist belief caused the most death in the 19th and 20th century?....

Originally posted by john124
You mean communists, not atheists. You're using indirect connections to make direct associations or relations. To blame their dis-belief in god for their actions is as silly as blaming their interests in food, wine or pets for their actions.

Communists believe in Atheism. Communism in itself is an atheist belief. There is no indirect connection. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, castro, and every true Socialist/Communist is/was an atheist.

Source: Marx and Engels On Religion, Progress Publishers, 1957;
Transcribed: by Andy Blunden.


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Abstract
... Our Blanquists share the Bakuninists’ desire to represent the most far-reaching, most extreme trend. That, by the way, is why they often adopt the same means as the Bakuninists, though with opposite ends in view. The point is, therefore, to be more radical than everybody else as far as atheism is concerned. Fortunately it is easy enough to be an atheist today. Atheism is so near to being self-obvious with European working-class parties nowadays — although in certain countries it is often enough like that of the Spanish Bakuninist who maintained that it was against all socialism to believe in God but that the Virgin Mary was a different matter, every decent socialist ought naturally to believe in her. It can even be said of the German Social-Democratic workers that atheism has already outlived itself with them: this purely negative word no longer has any application as far as they are concerned inasmuch as their opposition to faith in God is no longer one of theory but one of practice; they have purely and simply finished with God, they live and think in the world of reality and are therefore materialists. This seems to be the case in France too. If not, nothing would be simpler than to have the splendid French materialistic literature of the past century spread on a large scale among the workers. For in that literature French thought made its greatest achievement both in form and in content and, considering the level of science at that time, it is still infinitely high today as far as content is concerned and has not been equalled as to form. But that cannot be to the liking of our Blanquists. In order to prove that they are the most radical of all they abolish God by decree as was done in 1793:

“Let the Commune free mankind for ever from the ghost of past misery” (God), “from that cause” (non-existing God a cause!) “of their present misery. There is no room for priests in the Commune; every religious manifestation. every religious organization must be prohibited.”

And this demand that men should be changed into atheists par ordre du mufti is signed by two members of the Commune who have really had opportunity enough to find out that first a vast amount of things can be ordered on paper without necessarily being carried out, and second, that persecution is the best means of promoting undesirable convictions! This much is sure: the only service that can be rendered to God today is to declare atheism a compulsory article of faith and to outdo Bismarck’s Kirchenkulturkampf laws by prohibiting religion generally....

www.marxists.org...

Originally posted by john124
Religious people commit crimes based on the unwillingess of other tribes to toe the line, and use people's religion as a form of manipulation.

And atheists commit crimes because people are only biological beings... After all humans eat chickens, and other biological entities, so why should humans be treated differently?...

reply to post by devilishlyangelic23


Thank you.

That is the answer I was expecting.

Originally posted by john124
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

In an Atheist world there can't be Paganism, or even Agnosticism. ALL forms of SPIRITUALITY are denied in an Atheist world.

Agnostics are also atheists. Murders can also be atheists, murderers can also be theists.... although the evidence suggests that in modern day society that atheists are generally more at peace with the world and themselves.

i classify myself as agnostic because i just dont know. however, i am still spiritual. i do think that there is something larger than us, but i dont believe its a single conscious entity. atheists dont believe in spirituality at all. they believe in science and cold hard facts...if its not a cold hard fact, they wont entertain it. (speaking from experience of the atheists i've spoken to, i dont mean to generalize like that)

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse

You can teach a robot to try to act human, but in the end it cannot have emotions.

I didn't say robot, I said artificial life based on DNA.

Science tries to look for awnsers, in the same manner that spiritual beings try to make sense of their existence.

Science is essentially the key to understanding & gaining knowledge of our universe and everything in it, therefore it has to be part of our spirituality, because we are part of this universe.

Yet atheism is the absence of all spirituality. Atheism is not only the disbelief in any deities, but the disbelief in spirituality.

Repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it any more truer. I'm not interested in obsessive & repetitive sermons, so I'll make this short - we all have spirituality whatever we believe or disbelieve. Religions cannot steal people's souls or opinions, so sorry you cannot tell atheists that they have to believe in god to be spiritual or even believe in afterlifes. You'd like it if you were part of an elite club, but we're all in the same boat and preaching your opinion doesn't change anything, compared to someone who keeps their opinion to themselves.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
And Atheism not only tries to destroy religions, but any sense of spirituality within individuals.

An atheist world would be a world of robots, where people are not spiritual beings, but are only biological and materialistic.

I am an atheist or agnostic or whatever you can call. I dont believe in religion or the concept of God . But i do believe in spirituality. And please dont compare atheists with communists. Atheists are not the people who would be robots. Its the religious people who are as such.
Remember the christianity's slaughtering of people of another religion and beliefs. Consider the present state of muslim fanatics slaughter people in the name of religion. Religion has been and will be the topmost factor of violence throughout the human history. Jews were slaughtered WW2 just because they were jews. Christians slaughtered others just because they were not christians. Now the muslim terrorists are doing the same. The so called religious people are just sitting and watching these killings all along.

Atheists who disregard the idea of spirituality may not be correct. They too can be ignorant. But atleast they accept the responsibility of their lives instead of relying on 'God' or should i say the concept of God. Religions are the powerful tools which was used and still being used by a few to control masses. Other than atheists or the so called communists who coerce are just ignorant,arrogant and stupid. Dont compare with them.