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Originally posted by Annee
Considering many animals (who have never read the bible or any other God book of morals) have very highly evolved societies of a high moral nature (probably more sophisticated then humans) - - I hardly find the argument "we need god or religion" to have/understand ethics & morals ridiculous.
The two I find interesting are Elephants and Timber Wolves (a specific wolf - but I can't right now remember which one)
Originally posted by Xtrozero
So you don't mind if I beat up all the males around me so I can be the alpha male and get all the women?
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Yet Communism, an atheist belief, has caused more death in the 19th and 20th century than all world wars, and other conflicts from around the world put together.
[edit on 30-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I personally find when religion is mixed with moderation it is very good force in the world and much of religion is that way. When religion is mixed with extremism it can be a very bad force, but then as said before any form of extremism is bad.
So maybe the true direction to look at is what causes extremism in the world and whether the good outweighs the bad when we look at religion.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
many secular organizations are equally or more charitable.
Originally posted by lucid eyes
Dear reader, you will see almost every atheist preoccupied with "my * is bigger than your *" in many variations.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Astyanax
Actually, Communism is a religion, and its vices are all religious vices.
Lol ok, so then is capitalism (money=god), hell might as well put all systems in the pot too.
Originally posted by bigbert81
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yes, well, I will still continue to take ACTUAL STATISTICAL data over an individual opinion.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Moderation in religion is presumably a good goal as it works well in other areas of life. However, the religious moderate paves the streets for the religious extremist.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Looked at in this way, the number of those who, throughout history, have been killed in the name of some tribal, ethnic, national or imperial faith bids fair to exceed by orders of magnitude those who have been killed for any reason at all.
That is how bad religion is. Those who cannot see it are, in my opinion, simply refusing to look.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I disagree, and I think those who are extremist would still be extreme with or without religion.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
To say that Nazi Germany was motivated by religion that led to WWII is where I really start to lose interest in this discussion.
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8
But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I keep having a hard time in categorizing "Atheists".
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Ok BS here my friend since most serial killers are that way because they are psychopaths and that comes from their brain physically operating very differently.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
You guys
Originally posted by Xtrozero
just want to basically label everything bad as religion or some other factor that true Atheist would never be a part of, and so I do not see a very convincing argument.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
True atheism is a very small percentage of the population
Originally posted by Xtrozero
and so to say there are less atheist in prison than Christians I need to say, No s##t… But to say that is proof that atheist are better I need to wonder if you really belief that yourself.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I’m still trying to categorize people who do not live a religious life in anyway but do not call themselves a true Atheist. Would not a person need to follow their religious beliefs to be truly categorized religious?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I don't know if I agree with this entirely. I've witnessed too many of my friends who were relatively moderate in all aspects of life get into one religion or another, then once struck with the god bug went totally off the deep end. Luckily most of them came back down to earth after a year or two.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
What is going off the deep end?
Originally posted by lucid eyes
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
And what would you call your incessant trolling attempts? A desperate cry for attention?
perhaps you could make a worthwhile contribution to the thread besides trolling and insults.
Im sorry for the misunderstanding, I didnt mean to offend you. I was not actually addressing you but the readership so that they may understand the psychological causes of the dozens of "atheists more intelligent then others" threads, the cry of the insecure inner child in a "big godless universe" and the rebellion of the atheist against the father figure.
In no way was it directed at you, so again my respectful well wishes
Originally posted by elocin
I refuse to accept the ideology that I need constant guidance from a "God", when I know I have it in me already to know right from wrong. And knowing I have it in me already to know right from wrong is not thinking I'm on the same level as "God" or being "all-knowing". I think that knowing right from wrong is something that we are innately born with; something "God" gave us. But society decided to distort our views of ourselves so that we don't believe ourselves to be conscious enough to make decisions for ourselves, because that way we're easier to control. And when you believe you constantly do things that are wrong, it's easy to believe you need guidance. Interesting coincidence that it's the bible and organized religion that makes people believe that they're constantly doing things wrong ("sinning"). So if you refuse to go by what the bible and religion tries to tell you, then you refuse to believe that you are "sinning". If religious people believe in the bible and what they are preached, then they believe that they are sinning, constantly and daily.
It must be Hell to think so lowly of yourself that you don't know right from wrong to the point where you need serious "guidance" daily, only to find that you do nothing but continue to "sin" anyway.
An atheist would believe that they're not sinning in the first place. As long as an atheist does what they believe in their heart is right, what's the point in them asking for "guidance" that will make them suddenly believe that they're doing wrong?