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Hamas leader says American envoys making contact, but not openly

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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Hamas leader says American envoys making contact, but not openly


www.guardian.co.uk

The United States is sending a succession of envoys to engage with Hamas but lacks the bravery to talk to the Islamist movement openly, its leader, Khaled Meshal, said in an interview with the Guardian.

But four years into Israel's blockade of Gaza, the revelation could be seen as a sign that cracks are opening up in the western consensus that Hamas should remain isolated. Russia is a member of the Middle East Quartet, which demands recognition of the state of Israel as a precondition to a seat at the negotiating table.
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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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I think many of us were already aware that this was happening. Still it is a good thing it has been revealed even if the Americans will inevitably deny it.

Hamas were democratically elected in free and fair elections by the Palestinian peoples. tHe quicker the U.S. and more inportantly Israel deal accept this the better.

Coupled with this is the need for Hamas and Fatah to reconcile their differences and this will only happen if the U.S. give it the thumbs up. Abbas appears to be interested in visitng Gaza to start up a reconcilation process.

www.haaretz.com...

www.guardian.co.uk
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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Peruvianmonk



Hamas were democratically elected in free and fair elections by the Palestinian peoples.



that is laughable im not disagreeing with entire post but that is just funny if anybody believes that. I would vote for you to if someone held a gun to my head!



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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It was a U.N. supervised election, which was deemed free and fair by U.N. election observers and by the OCED. There was no gun at anyone's head.

The people of Palestine had had enough of the corruption and failures of Fatah and freely chose Hamas as their leaders.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by Peruvianmonk]



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:57 PM
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So a question for you all.

Is the U.S. right to be talking with Hamas?



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Calling the election of the Hamas entirely democratic is a far strech of imagination. The main problem: Democratic election needs civil parties. Civil as in opposed to armed. Off course, the ability of thugs to convince more peaceful minded citizens to vote their way IS a decisive factor in the Gaza City Elections.

BUT: Punishing the complete population of Gaza, for voting for the LESS radical of the two groups of armed thugs up for election, (Hamas instead of Fatah) by declaring the whole city an open air jail, and putting it under siege, is criminal.
The Likud Government in West Jerusalem has half a dozen UN-Resolution pending, with just the US-Veto to shield their behind. Why is there NO public discussion about this in USA, besides some vague and ugly anti-semitic nonsens?

I know, the UN is the NWO, beats up cute puppies, and wants to abort heterosexual gun-owners, but besides the obvious truth, its also a place, where diplomats try to state important truths about the beliefs of their countrys people.
Why are those resolutions hardly ever mentioned on msnbc, cnn, fox, rt?

I hope those american envoys will find some levelheaded guys in Gaza, and the Chuzpe to call a crime a crime, even when it has been financed, so far, by the American War Directorat.

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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I like and agree with most of you post, But.

You rate the U.N. for their resolutions against Israel over the illegal aquisition of the West Bank and E Jerusalem but not their ability to call an election free and fair or not?



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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@Peruvianmonk:
The procedures used WERE democratic, the UN monitored them. Which does not miraculously turn an urban war zone into a civil society.

Likud Party in Israel and a decisive group of congressional Republicans in the USA are massively profiteering from the US arms industry, keeping the war alive for personal gains and colonialistic greed.
There is a bunch of war criminals at work, good ole southern boygroups with wellknown brand names. A military industrialiced complex has to include oil interests, people have to die to keep the US public from asking questions about the use of their tax dollars on securing foreign interest.

For arms industry the religious aspect has actually a vile twist: The Christian Proponents of Zionism try to actively prepare for scenarios tied to prophecies out of Johns Book of Revelation.
If their religious fervor were taken seriously, their aim were to start Harmagedon as soon as possible, so a few thousand death and a million traumatized a year is like a minor booking error on their personal conscience scoreboard.
The Bible Belt has been called to Jihad against arabic people, at least since the 1960s petrol prospectors understood, HOW much oil could be syphoned from the general area.

The Likud Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of Israeli Arms Groups, which are in turn spin-offs from American Enterprises. Israel is a criminal nation in regards to the way they conduct their land policy against Palestinians, the Trillion Dollar War on Terror depends on human suffering, so human suffering is produced.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Yip, the elections were actually funded by the EU and declared one of the most free and democratic elections in the middle east. It may be hard to understand why palestinians would vote for hamas if you are an outsider, but given the environment they live in due to Israel, it naturally breeds extremism...couple that with the disillusionment with fatah and it is easy to understand why Palestinians voted for them.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Exactly.

With todays events Hamas will only grow stronger.

The Israelis and Americans do not seem to understand the power of the group within Palestinians society. Such as in Lebanon with Hezbollah, Hamas are the basis of Gaza. They provide everything, they are everything. They may be unpopular with some Palestinians but they are still supported and looked to by the vast majority.

You cannot destroy a movement like this. You can only talk. And they are more than willing to talk from a level playing field.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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I think the people, who ordered the latest Israeli Act of Piracy could not care less for empowering militants in the occupied zones. They need scapegoats to impress their domestic electorate with a show of potency.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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calling the US elections is far fetched and a joke aswell
and the UK elections which just passed, aka people being rufused to cast their votes and so forth.

so most countries who should fair elections and so on always have a flawed or screwed up system aswell.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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Ha well said illusive. Either way Hamas was elected and were to govern the entire Palestinian state until an attempted coup by Israel/U.S. and the PA which led to Hamas losing the West Bank but consolidating in Gaza.

PA and Hamas need to talk and reconcile for their people. Israel/U.S. need to talk to Hamas if they actually want genuine peace and all the sacrifices that entails.

These are the withdrawl from all West Bank settlements and from E Jerusalem, lifting of the siege of Gaza, allowing the Palestinains to create a proper state, control of their own borders airspace economy etc, Hamas accepting Israel's right to exist (which they have already offered)



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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This is being reported by Al Jazeera.


Mohammad Dahlan, a senior member of Fatah, just announced that the party will send a delegation to Gaza to meet with Hamas for reconciliation talks, and that the Palestinian Authority will push for a UN Security Council resolution on lifting the blockade of Gaza.

Hamas and Fatah have been bitterly at odds since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2007, and months of recent reconciliation talks haven't led anywhere. So a Fatah delegation to Gaza could be a significant step.


This is possibly excellent news for the Palestinian people. If these two groups can somehow get together and share power without Israeli interference, the U.S. will have to negotiate with Hamas and force this Israeli administration to do likewise.

Expect Israeli and some U.S. efforts to derail this.

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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
the U.S. will have to negotiate with Hamas and force this Israeli administration to do likewise.

Expect Israeli and some U.S. efforts to derail this.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Peruvianmonk]


If Israel overtly tries to block this envoy, it will expose itself even more in an already volatile diplomatic situation with Turkey.
With an extraordinairy UN meeting in process, Israel also cant afford to stage any extra incidents for cover-up of special-ops, so I dont think anyone will try to physically interfere with the meeting.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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Oh they will wait until this furore has died down, and it will no doubt.

An update on possible reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas.


A senior Palestinian official said Tuesday that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas decided to send a high-ranking delegation to the Gaza Strip to finalize the inter- Palestinian reconciliation with Hamas movement, which Hamas called "useless."

Munib al-Masri, a prominent Palestinian businessman and chief of the independent Palestinian figures told reporters on Tuesday that he was assigned by Abbas to head the delegation. "I have already started contacts to form the senior delegation, which will include members of Fatah movement's central committee and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) executive committee and leaders of other factions," said al-Masri.

Earlier on Tuesday, Mohamed Dahlan, a member of Fatah central committee said Abbas decided to send a senior delegation including members of Fatah and PLO executive committee to Gaza to finalize the reconciliation.


news.xinhuanet.com...

It would seem the Israeli attack is having unforeseen positive implications for Palestinian unity.



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