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Why Is ATS Full Of Hate Obama Threads?

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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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I think alot of what you have to say is legitmate, but there is more to it then that. You see, this conception of conservative / liberal is an artificial construct of those in power used as a diversion to keep people from knowing whats actually going on, i.e. lobbying by big business, etc. I do not like Obama because I had expectations for him to stand up to lobbyist and big business and represent the people. Although I wanted to give him the benfit of the doubt, the reality is he is a politcian, and polticians sell out to get elected and stay in office. I thought he was a liar before he was elected and nothing has changed. So yah, people hate him because the spin doctors want them too, but then people like me and many others on ATS don't like him because, simply put, he is a TOOL.

I am an independent and I an unbiased. I was not a fan of Bush either, nor Clinton, and so on. They do not do what is in the best interests of the people, but of TPTB. That is why I do not like Obama or any of the rest of them.




posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Somewhat agreed. To me President Obama is thus far not a "Great" President, but rather the least offensive of my political choices. If ever I want to remind myself of the alternatives I take a hard look of the leaders of the conservative movement...Sarah Palin, Rush, Boehner et al....those are some seriously morally bankrupt propaganda loving folks. If ever legit criticism of the POTUS arises I'd be quick to stand behind it as should be done in a democracy, but unfortunately intelligent critique is drowned out by lunatic rage.

Try this...Promise Broken..19 of them...and worthy of criticism
politifact.com...

But also be honest and look at promises kept..112
politifact.com...

Then take a look at the level of BS in our political discourse..How many are conservative talking points?
politifact.com...

The Democrats aren't great, the GOP is much, much worse, we need another party and the TPM turned out to be GOP remix.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:49 AM
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I don't know who's running that politifact site, but a quick overview of his "promises broken" is leaving out a few massive ones.

Like ending the wars, not hiring lobbyists, etc..

His administration is loaded with Goldman Sachs bankers.

His administration is loaded with communists and other criminal looters hell bent on destroying the currency and this nation by expanding government debt to bailout their crony partners in crime.

His administration has done everything in its power to expand the welfare-warfare state of the American empire.

His administration is a gang of criminal thieves.

The day of reckoning is coming soon.

The dollar will be no more.

The communist criminal government of the American empire has destroyed this nation and its currency.




[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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superstitious brainwashees think hes the antichrist because they the way the bible is interpereted for them and who could forget the nostodamus fever thats been running strong since the late 9/11 and a bit before
its because his ethnicity not the black part but the kenyan one and kenya is known for muslims, and nostrodamus apparently said hed be muslim or something like that. i dont take any stock in it.
they also hate him because hes a liar and apparently a bad president. whats my opinion? of course hes crooked, he IS a politician isnt he?
all things mixed together and you get a pretty nasty stew



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by OrionHunterX
 


OrionHunterX

I take it one of these is true about yourself:

1. You were paid to make this post.

Nope! But Michelle gave me a free dinner at the White House for opening a thread on ATS!


2. You work for government yourself.

So? Is it a crime working for the government?


3. You have a vested interest in the promotion of corporate bailouts, government contracts, or other government largess.

Now that's a pretty woolly headed accusation. Geeez!


Of course, you will most likely deny this.

Hmmm...How did you know? You're a clairvoyant with amazing abilities! Wow!

See? That's what I've been saying all along. Hate Obama or else....





[edit on 2-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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reply to post by mnemeth1
 

Strong words! So how do you propose to set things right? See, we all know that there's a secret shadow government at work in the US of A that calls the shots. Obama is pushing hard against this lard to set some of the things right. But he's up against a pretty hard wall. It ain't easy by any stretch of imagination. Anyone else in his place wouldn't have fared any better. But a neo-con at the helm of affairs would probably have sent America into a dizzying spiral down the chute by now. This hasn't happened.

Thank God for small mercies!



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by maybereal11
 


I don't know who's running that politifact site, but a quick overview of his "promises broken" is leaving out a few massive ones.

Like ending the wars, not hiring lobbyists, etc..

[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]


Wrong on both counts.
But it's ok to be wrong, I am often..lets just be honest about it.

Promise 125 (Promise Kept)
Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
politifact.com...

Now if you were expecting an immediate withdrawl...there is no military or political leader anywhere on the spectrum who would advocate that. It took us nearly 10 years to amass equipment and troops...withdrawing while keeping our troops safe is paramount and takes time.

What you are doing is what I bemoaned..echoing political rhetoric without research or thought.

Promise 240 (Promise Broken)
Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
politifact.com...

I understand that he got to DC and discovered almost EVERYONE of any knowledge/intellectual worth on a given topic had at some stage gone for the lobbying big bucks, but he said it, he should have kept his promise and even if it was just naivate before he became POTUS rather than "evil intent", he still has to own it.


See...all I am asking for is an honest discussion about where he is failing or suceeding as opposed to the repeating of mindless political rhetoric.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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I'm not interested in lies from Politifact.

Politifact is a biased worthless source of information.

Obama's Promise to withdraw troops in Iraq by 2009
www.youtube.com...

I have ears and eyes, I can see what he said for myself.

I also have the ability to read, which means I can read lists of former lobbyists he's hired.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

I also have the ability to think for myself, which means I can also understand why everything he has done is absolutely horrible for the country and abhorrent to a free society.

The democrats have ran up such a huge debt in their quest for totalitarian power and control that they have destroyed this country. There is no hope left for the dollar. The government WILL print epic piles of money to pay the bills, further destroying what remains of the US economy and our personal freedoms.








[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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Why? Because he deserves to be hated by all rational freedom-loving individuals.
Why does he deserve to be hated? Because he uses emotion to trump logic to enslave individuals to the collective using deception, lies, and traditional statist propaganda.

He is a secretive, evil deceiver who has only 2 priorities:
1) His own image
2) The furthering of the march of tyrannical socialism



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by maybereal11
 


His administration is loaded with communists and other criminal looters hell bent on destroying the currency and this nation by expanding government debt to bailout their crony partners in crime.

The dollar will be no more.

The communist criminal government of the American empire has destroyed this nation and its currency.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]


June 1st, 2010 WSJ
Dollar Gains On Good US Data
online.wsj.com...

June 2nd WSJ
Gold Falls as Dollar Gains
online.wsj.com...

Dollar Enjoys a Late-Session Surge to 14-Month Highs
www.dailyfx.com... zz0piIar500

U.S. Dollar Stronger Across the Board May 25, 2010
www.thestreet.com...

The U.S. Dollar Rules ... May 24th, 2010
www.marketoracle.co.uk...

THE DOLLAR IS ACTUALLY MUCH STRONGER NOW THAN WHEN THE POTUS TOOK OFFICE...DESPITE THE FINANCIAL CRISIS!!!


Originally posted by mnemeth1
The communist criminal government of the American empire has destroyed this nation and its currency.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]


Seriously...stop the BS...the facts disagree with you and your agenda.

Next shall I list the recent US economic indicators and how they are virtually all UP? ...And under an Obama administration...oh, the horror!

I suspect you aren't so interested in actual real world numbers or facts though...right? Becoming aware of an actual US recovery in progress would rain on your whole piss parade.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by maybereal11
 



Obama's Promise to withdraw troops in Iraq by 2009
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]


Please be specific where President Obama says he will have all the troops withdrawn by 2009? Give me a time mark in the youtube video.

You have disregarded facts to the contrary and provided no proof of your claim, but rather tried to appear as if you had proof.

I am calling you a liar.

He speaks about the same thing that every general has advised...a phased withdrawl and he has kept his promise which helps with stability and ensures the troops remain safe during the process.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by maybereal11
 

His administration is loaded with communists and other criminal looters hell bent on destroying the currency and this nation by expanding government debt to bailout their crony partners in crime.
The dollar will be no more.
The communist criminal government of the American empire has destroyed this nation and its currency.

Seriously...stop the BS...the facts disagree with you and your agenda.
Next shall I list the recent US economic indicators and how they are virtually all UP? ...And under an Obama administration...oh, the horror!
I suspect you aren't so interested in actual real world numbers or facts though...right? Becoming aware of an actual US recovery in progress would rain on your whole piss parade.


Its no use. These guys want to hear and read only what they want to hear and read! They miss out the wood for the trees. And they'll never give the 'devil' his due. Curse, rant, cry, crib, fume, seethe, foam.....Pessimists seem to be a dime a dozen here and America seems to be getting stuffed with such worthies. And that's bad news. No wonder it's where it is today! Carry on!



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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At 1:27 in the video. "We have to begin a phased withdrawal, have our combat troops out by March 31st of next year"



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by black cat
reply to post by maybereal11
 


At 1:27 in the video. "We have to begin a phased withdrawal, have our combat troops out by March 31st of next year"


Thank you for that...now let me point out the BS in how that out of context clip is being used...

HE WAS TALKING IN THE PRESENT TENSE. STARTING A PHASED WITHDRAWL WHEN THE STATEMENT WAS MADE in 2007

He was talking about a bill he had supported as a Senator at the time that would have BEGUN THE PHASED WITHDRAWL IMMEDIATELY/THEN...WHEN THE STATEMENT WAS MADE...and thus had the combat focused troops home by "March 31st" the following year.

NOT a promise for his presidency...a Proposed bill in 2007 at the time which congress did not pass.

Here is the FULL TRANSCRIPT of that debate...


SEN. OBAMA: Wolf, look, everybody supports the troops and everybody knows that. To some degree, this was a vote that had to do with how we feel about a continuation of a plan that has not worked. The president has now announced, just the other day he said that this was like Korea. Keep in mind we've been there six decades in the Korean peninsula, and the best way for us to support the troops is to ensure that we are not continuing to try to impose a military solution on what is essentially a political problem in Iraq. And that's why I put forward a bill that would begin a phased redeployment and have all our troops out by March 31st of next year.

www.nytimes.com...


That bill did not pass...he WAS NOT discussing his presidential plans, he was stating if we began a phased withdrawl THEN as the bill he supported proposed, we could have combat troops out by March 31st the following year.

SEE HOW THIS BS WORKS? TAKING SH*& OUT OF CONTEXT AND ASSIGNING OTHER MEANINGS TO IT?

IT'S DISHONEST..AND IT'S THE REASON I HAVE A HARD TIME TAKING OBAMA-BASHERS SERIOUSLY



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by atlguy

Originally posted by AltraVision
His arrogant hatred for all that Americans value about their country!!!

Really? HATRED for American values? You do realize that he was elected, right? And elected with an overwhelming majority of votes? Please explain, in facts, how he has demonstrated his hatred for all that Americans value?


Check some polls. Obama was elected on his (false) "change" mantra by people voting more "not Republican" than they were actually voting for obama. Plus, the Palin choice as VP scared some people. Since his election, obama has shown over and over again that he is not in synch with the beliefs of the "average American", and now the people have seen that, too.

And I agree with the earlier poster that said what the OP listed as accomplishment will go down in history as the reasons he is classified as one of the worst presidents.

Something difficult that you and other obama supporters are now going to have to face is the angry backlash that is coming from all the people who voted for obama - plus congressmen who voted with obama - that now feel betrayed.

Check out this article as a little preview of what is going to end up turning obama into a lame duck for the last 2 years of his administration:


Congressmen Jason Altmire and Tim Murphy have previous engagements. Sen. Bob Casey Jr. and Rep. Mike Doyle are out of town on anniversary trips with their wives. Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato will be campaigning in Philadelphia.

When President Obama and Sen. Arlen Specter land at Pittsburgh International Airport today, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl will receive them by himself.

The rest of the region's top elected officials declined White House invitations to attend Obama's speech at Carnegie Mellon University this afternoon, their offices said.


Yes, the country was tired of Bush and the Republicans, but it's taken less than 2 years to remind the voters that there really ARE worse things than the Republicans.

Also, learn the difference between criticism and hate ...

[edit on 6/2/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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The dollar is worth less than it was when he took office.

There's this thing called the CPI that measures its value against hard goods.

The dollar appears to be "stronger" against other currencies simply because they are also printing money and debasing their currency.

History shows us that inflation and money printing wipes out the middle class.



Originally posted by maybereal11
Please be specific where President Obama says he will have all the troops withdrawn by 2009? Give me a time mark in the youtube video.

You have disregarded facts to the contrary and provided no proof of your claim, but rather tried to appear as if you had proof.

I am calling you a liar.


www.youtube.com...

"have our combat troops out by march 31th of next year" - of 2009. The video was shot in 2008.

Time 1:20



[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

IT'S DISHONEST..AND IT'S THE REASON I HAVE A HARD TIME TAKING OBAMA-BASHERS SERIOUSLY


Really?

How about obama and his administration bashing the AZ law, then admitting they hadn't read it?

How about obama claiming in a very recent speech that there was no need for the AZ law because the federal government needed to do more, and then following that with a request to cut the federal budget for border enforcement?

How about the disgraceful appearances with the mexican president while he criticized the AZ law - even though the the mexican immigration law is almost a carbon copy of the AZ law, and then a member of obama's administration dared to compare the AZ law to chinese human rights abuses?

How about the disgraceful actions of democrats in congress when they gave the mexican a standing ovation for repeating his BS in front of a joint session?

There's REAL DISHONESTY for you, and just a few reasons many no longer take obama and his supporters seriously.

[edit on 6/2/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Because they miss the good ol days when George W Bush had this country running like a well oiled machine... oh wait....



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by maybereal11
 


The dollar is worth less than it was when he took office.

There's this thing called the CPI that measures its value against hard goods.


I have a degree in economics, you are referring to the consumer price index/inflation...which has been virtually non-existent over his presidency and even took a dip backwards one month..the first time in 28 years.

See the CPI has grown steadily for a over a century...so first saying it represents the dollar is just plain wrong...secondly saying Obama is responsible for the CPI growing the very small amount it has...that is just dumb..it always grows...always has...


The USDX is the best measure of the strength of the US dollar and the dollar is strong now and stronger than it was when GW left office.

Just facts ...no BS.




Originally posted by maybereal11
Please be specific where President Obama says he will have all the troops withdrawn by 2009? Give me a time mark in the youtube video.

You have disregarded facts to the contrary and provided no proof of your claim, but rather tried to appear as if you had proof.

I am calling you a liar.


www.youtube.com...

"have our combat troops out by march 31th of next year" - of 2009. The video was shot in 2008.

Time 1:20
[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]


He wasn't talking about his plans as President...he was talking about an immediate start at phased withdrawl at the time he made the statement..it was a bill before congress.

AS I PROVED IN THE POST ABOVE ALREADY...yet you repeat this BS. You are either confused or lying or a little of both.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by maybereal11]

[edit on 2-6-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by maybereal11

IT'S DISHONEST..AND IT'S THE REASON I HAVE A HARD TIME TAKING OBAMA-BASHERS SERIOUSLY


Really?

How about obama and his administration bashing the AZ law, then admitting they hadn't read it?
[edit on 6/2/2010 by centurion1211]


LOL ... how about a long rant about unrelated topics with no sources and little logic!!

Thanks for the giggles Centurion, this thread was due for some comedic relief.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by maybereal11]



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