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Originally posted by 547000
What does meditation have to do with science? Ever heard of a false analogy?
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Originally posted by 547000
What does meditation have to do with science? Ever heard of a false analogy?
Have I said meditation is analogous to doing science? No, I haven't. If I am correct and meditation is a valuable technique, it obviously would be only a tool to help in determining how our universe works. It would be added to the process of science rather than replacing anything.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
I wish to God that you would do some graduate level problems in physics. These are so tough that you are already in a state of meditation when you do them. You cruise in the depth of Prajnaparamita when you do these classes.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
And I don't want to learn the math. I also don't enjoy reading about the details of experiments. Only the conclusions drawn!
Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by buddhasystem
Not if you have good sources.
Depends on what you're trying to do: Be a practitioner like you, or study the work of visionaries.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
. . . experiences with meditation that have influenced his work. . . .
Originally posted by Mary Rose
And I don't want to learn the math.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Originally posted by Mary Rose
And I don't want to learn the math.
But I've learned from printing links posted by other members in answer to my science questions that, although I don't want to learn the math, learning the vocabulary of science is very enjoyable.
For example, I'm reading the Wikipedia article on gauge theory, stopping to look up every word I don't understand and taking notes on them.
I just came to the term "Lie group," which I had seen before but hadn't spent much time on it. The online dictionary page for the term brought up a beautiful graphic. From The Free Dictionary:
(I don't know why the system is cutting off the right-hand side. It's not that way in "My Pictures." Grrrr.)
Because the size in pixels is 640x640.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
(I don't know why the system is cutting off the right-hand side. It's not that way in "My Pictures." Grrrr.)
If I push on a truck with the parking brake on, the parking brake prevents it from moving. After 5 minutes of pushing on it as hard as I can until I'm out of breath, it's strange to see the physics definition that I haven't done any work. If I haven't done any work, why am I out of breath?
Originally posted by 547000
Vocabulary can give you the feeling you understand, but it can mislead you if you don't understand the mathematical concepts.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I hope that helps.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So you're exactly right, you have to be careful about looking up words in physics without understanding the math.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I did that with a cheesy program called Nero Photosnap.
If you look at a mathematical expression, and you don't know what the terms in the expression mean, then the math won't do much good. So yes you have to understand the terms in the expression, if I understand your question correctly. The point we were trying to make is, it's kind of hard to escape the math to have a good understanding of physics.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Also, math symbols and formulas cannot be understood without accompanying language first and foremost. Would you agree?
Let's see if that works:
Originally posted by Mary Rose
I believe you can also do this: [ ats=600x600 ] paste the URL [ /ats ] without the spaces.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
The point we were trying to make is, it's kind of hard to escape the math to have a good understanding of physics.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
How did you find out about that?
That's good to hear. Some of the symbols do mean things which can be grasped without a lot of training, and it's a good thing to do.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
I am beginning to not be so intimidated by the math. I'm beginning to be more patient about reading what the symbols mean.
Originally posted by Bobathon
Accepting that some things will remain way out of reach without years of intense dedication is part of the process of dealing realistically with mathematics. And I'm not saying that to be mean - it's just the way it is.
Other things, like the equations of Newton's laws of motion, are within the grasp of anyone with any interest in the way the world works, and appreciating them in the form of equations opens up new worlds of understanding
Yes, I meant nice things like F=ma or suvat, rather than the analysis of N-particle systems in d dimensions with w constraints using the differential geometry of (2Nd-w)-dimensional symplectic manifolds. Newton's laws have a lot to answer for!
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Newton's laws indeed are dead simple mathematically, somewhat less conceptually, but the devil is in how they play out in the real world, and I remember that when I hit "Classical Mechanics" in college (things like Lagrangian formalism for some complex cases of motion) it was nothing like a cakewalk.
Originally posted by Bobathon
Yes, I meant nice things like F=ma or suvat, rather than the analysis of N-particle systems in d dimensions with w constraints using the differential geometry of (2Nd-w)-dimensional symplectic manifolds. Newton's laws have a lot to answer for!
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Newton's laws indeed are dead simple mathematically, somewhat less conceptually, but the devil is in how they play out in the real world, and I remember that when I hit "Classical Mechanics" in college (things like Lagrangian formalism for some complex cases of motion) it was nothing like a cakewalk.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
. . . consciousness as related to scalar waves, and the idea that scalar waves are invisible systems that carry information, and are independent of time and space. . . . a reference to morphic field theory.
Maybe meditation is tapping into the morphic field.
(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology) the idea that, through a telepathic effect or sympathetic vibration, an event or act can lead to similar events or acts in the future or an idea conceived in one mind can then arise in another