God and Satan.. Who is the good guy?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


You really do need to calm down and it has everything to do with this thread,did you not read and understand the implications of such a title?

Now if God didn't appear in the bible or if Christians didn't use it to justify or condemn everything under the sun that didn't attune to their view,then you would have a point.

But since this is the case you don't have a point because the bible is the tool Christians use to control and sway public opinion and perception.

If you were looking for a voice of one then maybe the title should have been named something else because really, what believer in God and the Bible is going to say otherwise.

This thread is contradictory based on the title and your objection to my difference of opinion and with that said I'll leave yo to your fireside chat.

I forgot one little thing. You reacted like most religious zealots react when they can't defeat logic, and that is get mad.



[edit on 3-6-2010 by Eight]

Originally posted by Eight
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You really do need to calm down and it has everything to do with this thread,did you not read and understand the implications of such a title?

Now if God didn't appear in the bible or if Christians didn't use it to justify or condemn everything under the sun that didn't attune to their view,then you would have a point.

But since this is the case you don't have a point because the bible is the tool Christians use to control and sway public opinion and perception.

If you were looking for a voice of one then maybe the title should have been named something else because really, what believer in God and the Bible is going to say otherwise.

This thread is contradictory based on the title and your objection to my difference of opinion and with that said I'll leave yo to your fireside chat.

I forgot one little thing. You reacted like most religious zealots react when they can't defeat logic, and that is get mad.

What logic? You quoted my attempt to stop straw man arguments from being used in this thread. How in God's green Earth, pun intended, is that my failed attempt at defeating logic? Or are you referring to me pointing out that using 2 wrongs to make a right is ALSO a fallacy of logic??

I'm at a loss for words on that charge. You haven't presented a sound counter-point yet, until you do so and stop using fallacies then there is no way I could have 'failed' at defeating logic. Straw man arguments are worthless, they are not valid arguments.




[edit on 3-6-2010 by NOTurTypical]

I forgot one little thing. You reacted like most religious zealots react when they can't defeat logic, and that is get mad.

(eight)

I didn't see one ounce of anger in notyourtypicals response. Getting mad is a human reaction, it's not off limits to christians. I see atheist and satanist acting hateful for fun let alone because of an attack.

everything is typical in the agenda driven mindsets.


Now for these.


"
So what do you call all those good Christian folk that participated in and allowed slavery to dwell here in America? The same goes for the Salem witch hunts and the persecution of today's Homosexuals by the church. Aren't they God's children also? "

(eight)


Well if they allowed that then they aren't good are they? I wouldn't slave. So either me and those slave owners are reading different scriputres or they are hypocrites. Homosexuals are children of God, but their sins are evil.

Hell, I myself do evil sometimes. If I commit sin, I'll call myself doing evil.

But hunting them down killing them is ridiculous and those people will pay by God. God specifically said pray for those people only.





" What about the people in remote parts of the world that have no concept of God but live their lives as he would have them to. I don't believe in God but I have good in my heart so how do you explain this? "

(eight)

This is a tricky one. Grace is earned by some things only God knows, dilligence, good acts. And BTW love is a choice. So my friend might of had grace in other areas, but he chose to show no compassion to his dog.

That feeling that enters the human soul, like the grinch this tingly feeling. Some people hate that crap and don't want love.

But again. the point was I was talking about grace in general. Some have it some don't. It's put there by God for reasons I don't know.

And for souls in remote parts of the world. I have heard of a story of a woman in I think Africa who never grew up with any concept of God, BUT, she knew that a God existed in her heart.

So we don't know that everyone who doesn't know about christ is Godless in their minds. And btw even saints I think say grace isn't off limits to atheist especially baptised ones. It's put their by our daily routines, he distributes through their dilligence and so on, but it won't grow into true sainthood because God is not fully living in those souls. They have signal graces. Not sanctifying grace which caused saints to go into excstacy, but this is unexplainable. It's not the signal graces like kissing the kids goodnight, helping a nieghbor out doing yard work. I'm talking about the grace specifically from communion without which the soul cannot enter into perfection and sainthood or ecstacy where saints seen God. There are two types of grace. Signal graces which exist in non christians and christians. And sanctifying which is directly from the new sacrafice which creates saints and caused them to have excstacies, see God, and have God living in them fully.




" Don't assume my objections equates to having a lack of understanding. This is a false fallacy many religious folk base their syllogism on which is why it fail all the time "

(eight)

Well considering what grace is, It's unex-plainable, so I apologize and will say that after death God will show you how understanding works.




" This is just your opinion,judging by some of his commandments I beg the differ.You have to ask yourself, if God were all good the way you're trained to believe,why would he sanction wrath and vengeance that can be found throughout the Bible?

In this "good book", why would an all good, all loving deity strike down entire civilizations? Or tell his followers to do so? Why would he instruct the Israelites to go into Jericho and " kill every man and all the livestock. Keep nothing for yourselves, yea even kill the children and beat the pregnant women until they abort their fetus' in the streets." Does that sound like a good god to you? Sounds more like your representation of the devil to me. "

(eight)

And why would this all loving God teach this in the same book?

" honour thy father and mother "
" LOVE your enemies "
" Lend your coat to people "
" Love is the fullfillment of the gospel "


Obviously God isn't stupid enough to contradict himself, so the only conlusion is that the town like that of Jericho tempted the Isrealites. In some cases they sent their woman to get them to sin to lead them from God and you eight don't know what was in the tribes hearts who ploted against the isrealites over a couple sentences in a book.

All i see in the bible is love except for a few instances of war in the OT.

And they didn't beat the mothers stomachs. I believe they killed the mother instantly and the babies goes with her.

Yes it sounds gross, but God is a father to those woman and children, and he takes them after death where their true home is. if that's where they went. To limbo.

He's a father. He made life and he takes it away. If not by old age by other factors.

if God is God and the creator of this universe, then it is impossible for him to be a murderer because he made life to begin with.

If God came to me and said. Son because of your lack of dilligence in this life and hidden ways, I'm stricking you down tommorrow.

I would say so be it.

Life is a gift, not a right.

and trust me, he loves each and every soul beyond measure since he made the concept of love in the first place.


But I respect the fact that you made those points without attacking.

peace.










[edit on 8-6-2010 by JesusisTruth]

[edit on 8-6-2010 by JesusisTruth]

reply to post by JesusisTruth


Basically all you just said is that god "owns" us.
It's impossible for him to be a murderer because he created us?
What if we managed to create an authentic intelligent machine and then brutally destroy it? We being the god/creator of the machine would have the right to destroy our created life form?

Sounds to me like you are cherry picking the parts you like out of the bible and ignoring any opposition.

Some more notes just off head:
-It is clear to me is that god and satan do not interfere with life in these modern days.
-If god exists, it is for man to reach out to god and not god to reach out to man (hence he doesn't interfere)
-Heaven must be an infinitely huge place because trillions of people and life forms have died over the years and that's only on this planet.
-I wonder how many religious texts the Catholics have locked away in their vaults?
-Too many religions to study, picking one is a gamble. Pick the wrong one, be condemned.
-The bible has many contradictions.
-If you believe one religion and claim it is true, have you looked at the hundreds of others?

We are all thankful for life, but what good is religion to us when we have greater purposes at hand? The earth most certainly has all the resources we need to live and leave this planet.. Why spend time filling heads with religious propaganda that can not be confirmed when we should all be working on discovering the true workings of the existence........... To further ourselves would definitely please god that we are not a race that sits around bowing to an invisible unknowable but a race that takes on the life at hand and works to become greater beings instead of living in a bubble excuse me........

reply to post by nightrun
I take person exception to your claim that the Bible has many contradictions in it. Your claim is true, yet also completely false. how is this so you ask?

The modern bible translations are riddled with errors, omissions, and contradictions, you're very much correct there. However, in the ONLY authorized version in English, the 1611 King James Version there are zero contradictions, errors, or omissions.

My advice is, stop reading modern PERversions.

Originally posted by Intuitiveaptitude2009

Originally posted by nightrun
extraterrestrial / alien species)

Gods actions on earth ? What were those exactly ? What had he done to adam and eve that it was right for satan to tempt them ? Think about that. By the way who's to say adam and eve were dumb ? You ? Maybe if they had rejected satan. They would have had a higher knowledge.

Now why would a God allow a supernatural entity access to His brand new human prototypes.

Seems like a rather silly move on His part.

Can you enlighten us?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by Intuitiveaptitude2009

Originally posted by nightrun
extraterrestrial / alien species)

Gods actions on earth ? What were those exactly ? What had he done to adam and eve that it was right for satan to tempt them ? Think about that. By the way who's to say adam and eve were dumb ? You ? Maybe if they had rejected satan. They would have had a higher knowledge.

Now why would a God allow a supernatural entity access to His brand new human prototypes.

Seems like a rather silly move on His part.

Can you enlighten us?

Regards
DL

It was part of His plan. God doesn't make mistakes, everything done is according to His plans.

He's God.

Nightrun/ Well the machine doesn't have two lives does it?

When God takes a soul, the life continues. But he can't murder because he made it in the first place and can decide when to take it.

The machine doesn't have life. Our lives are not a right it's a gift.


Notyourtypical the 1611 KJV did have satanic images in it.



[edit on 10-6-2010 by JesusisTruth]

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

Nightrun/ Well the machine doesn't have two lives does it?

When God takes a soul, the life continues. But he can't murder because he made it in the first place and can decide when to take it.

The machine doesn't have life. Our lives are not a right it's a gift.


Notyourtypical the 1611 KJV did have satanic images in it.

LOL wuuuut? I know the NKJV has occultist symbols on the cover, but NEVER heard what you claim. I have also seen the blatant pro-Satan slant in the NIV verses though.

U need to elaborate beyond arbitrary statements on that one.