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Simmons Says Obama Should Detonate Nukes to Seal Oil Leak;

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Ok this oil well has to have some type of "pipe" or hole drilled deep into the earth to reach the oil correct? If so why can they not simply force some dynamite deep into the "hole" or "pipe" so there is a ton of earth above it and just blow open the "pipe" or "hole" wich should cause a collapse of the earth above it. Doing this should effectively seal off the well deep underground?

If the hole is under high pressure when they set off the explosion I would think it would rupture and collapse the area around the explosion. Would not have to be a lot of dynamite just enough to force the hole open then the earth above would fall back into the area creating a seal.

Am I missing something? Seems like it would be easy to do other than forcing the dynamite down the hole against the pressure of the ouut going oil and gas, but this should be very possibe to do no?




posted on May, 30 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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I would say that trying to collapse or 'pile' ruble over something that is pushing 30,000 psi is not going to stop the leak. Slow it down for a while maybe. But as the grit is ejected from the hole it may actually enlarge it through its abrasive action.

Besides, if the sea floor is fractured then you may create something completely unstoppable. Like a crack miles long spewing this crap.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Detonating a nuke over the water could incinerate the oil that is on the water. You have to remember that the light, from the flash is about 2500 Centigrade over the first 0.5 square mile, I believe thats only for a 1 megaton detonation.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Massive amounts of plantlife arrive on the beaches, along with fish and animals (some dolphins and a whale). Tons of plantlife and the beaches just littered with fish of all kinds. DEATH HAS ENTERED THE BEACHES.

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Can you immagine the stench of rotting plants and fish and whatever else? The beaches are a BIO HAZZARD. I would hate to live within two miles of that mess. JEEZZZ, CAP THE THING.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by mbkennel
This isn't science-fiction.

It is very unlikely that there are any off-the-shelf nuclear weapons which are able to be placed and will function---and be controllable---at those depths and pressures, and extreme environments. How do you get it down? How big is it? How do you trigger it at the RIGHT place? And how do you get really really really really really really REALLY sure it doesn't go off prematurely?


Have you heard of suitcase size nuclear bombs...the "dirty bomb type" that governments fear terrorists can purchase and set off anywhere?

If they can fit a nuclear device into a suitcase I am quite certain there are all kinds of nuclear bombs available...but of course such stuff is classified and few people really know anything.



Originally posted by mbkennel
The relief wells will get there long before any farcical nuclear 'solution' is feasible.

I'm no petroleum engineer (I am a physicist), but the lack of progress on all the hacks so far says to me that they aren't going to work.

What WAS working---but only partially---was siphoning some of the existing flow from a smaller pipe. That seems to be the best option---suck out as much as you can (which may be only half) and wait until the relief wells get there. (two more months).


So why did they go with a 4-inch siphoning tube when the well-head is about 5 feet in diameter? I thought they would cut off the old riser pipe from the well-head and insert a new riser pipe to drain oil and gas by welding it(or screwing it) into the well-head.



Originally posted by mbkennel
As I understand it, these relief wells will intersect the main well fairly far down. Through them they will inject heavy drilling fluid ("mud") which at first will be pushed up, but eventually the weight of it (a few thousand feet of hit, denser than oil) will eventually slow the leak. Then they can cement the well permanently.


Except it takes 2-3 months to drill an intersecting hole with conventional drilling methods. I have read los alamos laboratories and the US department of energy has patented nuclear/electric and even laser drilling apparatus that can drill miles IN JUST ONE DAY!

God damm it, why does the NSA hide such useful technology, especially during a crisis like this?? Does the government really want to depopulate earth of all life? Pathetic!!



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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edgar cayse told us about the usa split in two from the gulf off mexico ...are we heading for this



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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He isn't the only one...



Or is it all just part of the plan...




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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by N.of norml
A couple of glaring what ifs to using a nuke.
First, what if the problem was caused by cracked strata allowing oil to bypass the well? we only see the well head but are hearing of "other" releases from seafloor cracks.
Would detonating a nuke in this weak sedimentary rock actually seal the hole or fracture the strata and allow more oil and gas free?

Second, a nuke will release a massive amount of heat in an area known for methane clathrate deposits.
IMO it was the hot subsurface oil and gas which released a large methane burp that destroyed the well.
A nuclear device has a high likelihood of causing a huge methane release. It only takes just a few degrees to cause the clathrate to come out of it's matrix and expand a couple thousand times.


At this point a huge release of methane is almost immaterial to earth's survival. There are two problems to deal with 1)billions/trillions of gallons of crude oil spreading everywhere if the well head is not shut down permanently and 2)if enough of the oil/gas mixture is removed from the deposit and then nuked there is a higher probability of the seabed floor collapsing due to lack of any support.

If the nuke option has real merits they should go with it ASAP but make sure they choose the correct size and proper placement. A good idea would be to evacute all the gulf coast residents, mexicans living near the gulf, carribbean islands etc.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by nite owl
OH MY GOD, help us. Has anyone even thought about the gases down there. OH LETS NUKE IT. Doing that could lite a fuse of oil gases and blow up deep down in the ground. Oh yeah, that will work. Lets make a larger hole. One the size of new york. Lets pollute,blow up, and radiate the entire ocean. If you people think it is bad now, oh my god. TO NUKE IT. It is bad enough now. Wait till the dead fish,plants,and animals come ashore. DEATH AND DISEASE will follow. Now they want to mutate all that with radiation. OH MY GOD. They will kill us all.


Nuke, sounds like a very bad idea to me.

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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If the nuke option has real merits they should go with it ASAP but make sure they choose the correct size and proper placement. A good idea would be to evacute all the gulf coast residents, mexicans living near the gulf, carribbean islands etc.


I don't see that happening.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Not without a "forced" martial law evacuation and that will turn in to its own battle cause them boys in the bayou ain't going anywhere.

That almost sounded like a plausible martial law scenario...

"Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez"



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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I do not approve of the nuke option. WHY TAKE A CHANCE. I know that lots of plants and dead fish are ending up on the beaches along with all the oil. Oh ,and some dolphins and a whale. I know people are mad about the situation and the hazzards that go along with that, but i feel that we need to find a better solution than nuke it. Also we need a plan implimented so that this does not happen again. Storm season is comming also, this only gets worse.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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May 30 (Bloomberg) -- BP Plc and U.S. government officials have decided to risk accelerating the largest oil spill in the country’s history in a bid to capture more of the crude before BP’s leaking well can be plugged in August, White House Energy Adviser Carol Browner said.

Sometime during the next seven days, BP plans to saw away sections of a damaged pipe so that much of the oil can be diverted to a ship on the surface, Managing Director Robert Dudley said today on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” The step, endorsed by federal officials, risks increasing the leak by 20 percent, Browner said today in a “Face the Nation” interview on CBS.


www.businessweek.com...

I think there is a bigger problem going on then we are being told, what about this second leak I have been hearing about.


Meanwhile, a team of oil spill experts are on standby in the United Arab Emirates, ready to help the Gulf of Mexico cleanup efforts. They originally made this offer two weeks ago and are still waiting for a call.


Why? Why aren't we letting them help?

www.allvoices.com...

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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It does doesn't it?

That would be a daunting task.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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If Simmons is serious, he is stupid. Detonating a nuke 18,000 feet at the bottom of the sea?

Result = Oil everywhere, radioactive water, earthquakes, tsunamis.

Bravo! It amazes me sometimes what idiots run the planet.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by nite owl
OH MY GOD, help us. Has anyone even thought about the gases down there. OH LETS NUKE IT. Doing that could lite a fuse of oil gases and blow up deep down in the ground. Oh yeah, that will work. Lets make a larger hole. One the size of new york. Lets pollute,blow up, and radiate the entire ocean. If you people think it is bad now, oh my god. TO NUKE IT. It is bad enough now. Wait till the dead fish,plants,and animals come ashore. DEATH AND DISEASE will follow. Now they want to mutate all that with radiation. OH MY GOD. They will kill us all.


Nuke sound like a very bad idea to me.


Sounds a bit hysterical to me. Nukes come in all sizes and shapes so if they can figure out the correct size and placement, I don't see why they should just let the damm thing leak perpetually. Some people said the deposit is as big as Mount Everest so can you imagine what would happen with so much crude oil and methane flowing unimpeded for months if not years?

I am not saying nuking it is the only option but it certainly has strong merits if done properly. If the russians did it why can't america? In fact why can't the PTB even get there facts straight for once instead of all this confusion? It seems everyone is guessing!

I still can't believe, for the life of me, that BP or any major oil company would go dig off-shore WITHOUT HAVING BACK-UP PLANS for such emergencies. People keep saying its a "learn as you go" problem...that is so unbelievably retarded that everyone that okayed this wreckful behavior deserves death!

Where is a socialist dictator like hitler when you need one?



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Where is a socialist dictator like hitler when you need one?


In Chicago?



I apologize in advance, I couldn't help myself.

I drank to much DR Pepper today, it was all that caffeine and aspartame talking.

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posted on May, 30 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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Where is a socialist dictator like hitler when you need one?


In Chicago?



I apologize in advance, I couldn't help myself.

[edit on 063131p://bSunday2010 by Stormdancer777]



I see your one of the naive people that thinks america is socialistic. What part of america's CORPORATE DICTATORSHIP is socialistic...just because we get social security and welfare? They are going to end that pretty soon under the guise of "lack of funds" and "lazy illegal immigrants".

Don't let msm do the thinking for you! Learn to think for yourself! Even europe IS NOT socialistic because all the central banks are private(meaning they are profit oriented) and citizens pay 30%-50% of their yearly salary to support the greedy bankers, while they give us a few crumbs to lick.



posted on May, 30 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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I said I was sorry.



Give um time.



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