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"We The People" Must Clean Up the Oil Spill, Government is Worthless!

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posted on May, 29 2010 @ 05:46 PM
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What I'm guessing is that some of the same people ranting that the govt hasn't done enough are the ones who screamed out that our govt is socialist and interferes too much in our affairs. One cant have it both ways, if you rally for a non-interventionist govt you cant turn around and ridicule them for not doing enough.
In any event the response has been slow but everyone is in way over their . on this one. There are only a couple of viable options on stopping the lea/s and neither are pretty. While it is certainly laudable to utilize grass root efforts to clean up some of the shore line, unfortunately until someone can hold their breath to 5000ft. I don't see anything other than gov't intervention solving this potentially cataclysmic environmental event (not exactly a banner day for laissez-faire libertarians).

[edit on 29-5-2010 by Counttrarian]




posted on May, 29 2010 @ 05:48 PM
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S&F

Thank you for trying to spread what sounds to be a good plan that people can do themselves to help out and try to minimize this catastrophe as best possible.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Counttrarian
What I'm guessing is that some of the same people ranting that the govt hasn't done enough are the ones who screamed out that our govt is socialist and interferes too much in our affairs. One cant have it both ways, if you rally for a non-interventionist govt you cant turn around ridicule them for not doing enough.
In any event the response has been slow but everyone everyone is in way over their . on this one. Yes, it may be good to utilize grass root efforts to clean up some of the shore line, but until someone can hold their breath to 5000ft. I don't see anything other than gov't intervention stopping this one (not exactly a banner day for laissez-faire libertarians).


Government has never done what they are supposed to. How is government intervention going to fix this? They are just running interference for the politically connected BP. What is it government can do? Nothing but put on a show for the people to make it appear they are doing something when all they are doing is covering for BP!

I didn't say we could stop the leak BP or some oil drillers will have to do that government intervention cannot do it so your point is moot. In the meantime we the people have to clean up the mess. THAT'S WHAT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR OURSELVES AND OUR ENVIRONEMENT IS ALL ABOUT!



[edit on 29-5-2010 by hawkiye]



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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Here is the low-down on FEMAafter it was absorbed by DHS:


President Bush appointed Michael D. Brown as FEMA’s director in January 2003. Brown warned in September 2003 that FEMA's absorption into DHS would make a mockery of FEMA’s new motto, "A Nation Prepared", and would "fundamentally sever FEMA from its core functions", "shatter agency morale" and "break longstanding, effective and tested relationships with states and first responder stakeholders". The inevitable result of the reorganization of 2003, warned Brown, would be "an ineffective and uncoordinated response" to a terrorist attack or a natural disaster.[13]



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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No, it actually is a "learn as you go" process. I think the failure of everything else to fix this has proved that.

This is a complex situation, just so you know. Not just "we can fix this! We have millions of people!"



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
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No, it actually is a "learn as you go" process. I think the failure of everything else to fix this has proved that.

This is a complex situation, just so you know. Not just "we can fix this! We have millions of people!"


I am not talking about fixing the leak That is the learn as you go problem. I am talking about cleaning up the oil out of the water. We know hay and straw works and we need to be using it now not waiting for some magical fix from government, aliens, or BP!

[edit on 29-5-2010 by hawkiye]



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
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No, it actually is a "learn as you go" process. I think the failure of everything else to fix this has proved that.

This is a complex situation, just so you know. Not just "we can fix this! We have millions of people!"


I strongly disagree! People working at area 51 have said "the american government has technology that is at least 50 years a. of what most people perceive".

Ben Rich, former . of Lockheed, at a UCLA alumni speech said:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

We went to the moon 40 years ago, yet we don't have the techonlogy to seal an offshore oil rig? Haaha you gotta be kidding me man! I suggest we take down the NSA and DHS which is HIDING EVERYTHING for their corporate illuminati masters.

Alternative energy has existed for quite some time, yet its the oil companies which have bought out the patents and are suppressing its release. Then you have obama-alabama saying we need "cap and trade" to counter-act "global warming".



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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I love how people come up with great ideas and look to everyone else to implement them. "We the People" MUST" do this, but not me. Oh, I would, but it's not in my backyard. "Someone should start a website" but not me ,"excuse excuse". There are ways of getting the money to the right people even if your are not local.

This is what we do. We talk. We talk about everyone else doing what we think they should do. You know what would motivate some people to go along with this idea. Getting off your own arse, rounding up some people in your area, and going down to the gulf. Then you can SHOW us we can do it. You do that, other WILL follow.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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Except they are not congealing the oil as they should be because that would be too much of a .ache for them, rather they are dispersing it beneath the waves.

Kind of what happened with the exxon valdez disaster...only 4 percent of the oil was ever recovered. Its MUCH EASIER AND CHEAPER to hide something rather than directly deal with it! This BP disaster in the gulf will eclipse that disaster many, many times over.

I would love to help in the clean-up process but I have moved to greece many years ago and started a business therefore I can't be in two places at the same time. You guys directly hurt should get together and march on washington, dc soon. Don't wait till its too late and leave the cleaning for those that instigated the disaster. People can get very sick by cleaning up crude oil unless thay have all the necessary protection gear!



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by stonergeek
I love how people come up with great ideas and look to everyone else to implement them. "We the People" MUST" do this, but not me. Oh, I would, but it's not in my backyard. "Someone should start a website" but not me ,"excuse excuse". There are ways of getting the money to the right people even if your are not local.

This is what we do. We talk. We talk about everyone else doing what we think they should do. You know what would motivate some people to go along with this idea. Getting off your own arse, rounding up some people in your area, and going down to the gulf. Then you can SHOW us we can do it. You do that, other WILL follow.


So I see you also wanting for someone else to show you what to do.... Sigh! I at least started the thread to get the idea out there what have you done? I love how people want to bitch and moan about stuff rather then focus on the solution. I don't know anyone in the area so perhaps instead of telling us there are ways to ensure the money gets to the right people you could actually outline how it is done. I would be willing to set up a site if i thought I could ensure the money gets to the right people. But instead you came here to put down and complain and do nothing where as I have at least put the idea out there. I can't do it alone. So why didn't you just explain how to ensure the money can get to the right people instead of trying to put me down??? or are you just blowing smoke and don't really know?



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by stonergeek
I love how people come up with great ideas and look to everyone else to implement them. "We the People" MUST" do this, but not me. Oh, I would, but it's not in my backyard. "Someone should start a website" but not me ,"excuse excuse". There are ways of getting the money to the right people even if your are not local.

This is what we do. We talk. We talk about everyone else doing what we think they should do. You know what would motivate some people to go along with this idea. Getting off your own arse, rounding up some people in your area, and going down to the gulf. Then you can SHOW us we can do it. You do that, other WILL follow.


So who is saying that???
I see people here offering to travel across the country to help out.
I others who can't travel, but are asking how they can help.

There will always be some that might feel they would like to help,
but can't or maybe just aren't aren't motivated enough.

That's fine, each can give as they are able.
even offering thier moral support is doing something.

You may be very fortunate, but others who are less fortunate
can also help without traveling across the country I'm sure.

I would be happy to spend as much time as I can notifying people in
the area of the oil spill about this effort, or even putting up blogs
and writing articles to get the word out.

I must have missed the posts from those who said they wouldn't do anything.

[edit on 29-5-2010 by illusions]

[edit on 29-5-2010 by illusions]



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Okay, I have an idea to get this rolling.

I think that there was a Louisiana congressman who was moved to tears
over this disaster.

I am searching for who this is.

Perhaps we can contact him and he would be able to hook us up with local
environmental groups, churches, scout groups, etc. so that we can get something started?

It seems like it would be important to have a local group of some kind that can coordinate everything.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Okay,
Here is the congressman who was moved to tears over the oil disaster.
Oh geez, I don't know how to put this link in, but here it is.
You might have to copy and paste it? Not sure if this will work...
www.washingtonpost.com...

Anyway, he is Louisiana congressman Charlie Melancon

Surely he would want to help and could at least direct us to local
organisations who would be interested in helping this effort as well.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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I am not wanting for anything. I am not the one claiming "The People Must". What I have done is irrelevant. I wasn't calling out to anyone to do anything.

My problem isn't with the fact that you want to do something, but the fact that if you can find all these solutions online, then you can also find the information you need to get the money to the right people. And if you really meant business, you'd put the site up and start collecting money as well as ideas and contacts from those who contribute to the site.

Or better yet, do some research into who the people are that are already doing something locally. www.usanewsweek.com...

Honestly, the right people would be the locals, right? Maybe contact the Parish or a gulf coast municipality. I wasn't bitchin' and moaning about stuff without a solution. My solution is helping people like you realize talk is cheap. We heard enough talk, lets see action.

My main point in all this was NOT to put you down, but to let you know that a plea to 300 million people needs to be a lot more motivating than the OP.

If you still feel unwilling to do a website for some reason or another u2u me, I will help you.

[edit on 29-5-2010 by stonergeek]



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Has it ever dawned on anyone that the only way to realize cosmos is to understand where it came from? Is Jupiter any different from the gulf of Mexico, the Arctic...Mars?



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Has it ever dawned on anyone that the only way to realize cosmos is to understand where it came from? Is Jupiter any different from the gulf of Mexico, the Arctic...Mars?



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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I can see a movie in here somewhere, except in hollywood Bruce Willis
will save the Planet yet again.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Counttrarian
What I'm guessing is that some of the same people ranting that the govt hasn't done enough are the ones who screamed out that our govt is socialist and interferes too much in our affairs. One cant have it both ways, if you rally for a non-interventionist govt you cant turn around and ridicule them for not doing enough.
In any event the response has been slow but everyone is in way over their . on this one. There are only a couple of viable options on stopping the lea/s and neither are pretty. While it is certainly laudable to utilize grass root efforts to clean up some of the shore line, unfortunately until someone can hold their breath to 5000ft. I don't see anything other than gov't intervention solving this potentially cataclysmic environmental event (not exactly a banner day for laissez-faire libertarians).

[edit on 29-5-2010 by Counttrarian]


did you see the posts on ATS verifying that BP is paying people to go out and clean up the oil on the beaches,
and when they arrive for work each day
BP just sends them home and pays them for doing nothing???

Did you read the post about the fake clean up crews being bussed out for the presidents news spot?

This was verified by an ATS member who admitted that he was hired to clean up the oil and this is what is happening.

These are recent posts on ATS. I'll try to put up the links, but do a search if you are interested.

There is no time to argue about our socialist government right now.

I believe the OP is focusing on the people doing what we can do by saving the beaches and water inlets from the oil.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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I agree... however, the MOST incompetent player in this whole disaster is BP and other corporations like it. The government can only do so much with limited technology, it was always BP's responsibility to prepare for this and clean it up and they're FAILING MISERABLY. The government needs to hold them fully accountable and so far... it seems they are to a fair degree, though they NEED to push harder.

However, I do think we the people need to start pushing government and big business out of the way more (forcefully even, if we band together) and get # done that WE want done, so long as what we're doing is undeniably/proven correct and less ignorant/corrupt than the powers that be. The problem here is that the powers that be have the only means to truly stop this leak and clean it up... we have to get on their asses and yell and shame them into doing this as quickly and cleanly as possible no matter WHAT it costs THEM.



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