reply to post by RedCairo
That was a nice and insightful post. I have to agree with a lot of what you said there. The only thing that I'm worried with gays open in the
military, is if they create some of the same problems that women in the military have, to no fault of most of the women.
Because of the rules set up for women in the military, it provides for a dangerous environment for men. Now I was not mis/fortunate enough to serve
with that many females but when I was an instructor for a couple of years, I did get a taste of it, though I'll remind you that this was no fault of
the women who served.
First, we were no allowed to single a female out for discipline due to fear of sexual harassment. We were also not allowed to focus on a female if she
was lacking the ability to complete any given task. We were also not allowed to focus on a female in uniform for any reason. This caused a lot of the
females to lack the discipline necessary to fight effectively. This puts the whole military unit in jeopardy because the unit is only as strong as the
weakest link. Females were basically allowed to get away with just about anything and not have to do anything but show up. Men are basically being
made to carry the burden of their female counterparts, due to no fault of the men or women in uniform, rather that of the civilian policy makers.
Take for instance that young lady (Private Jessica Lynch) who was taken captive at the beginning of OIF. This should have never happened and would
have never happened if the females in that unit, including Private Lynch would have been trained properly. Their lack of training and discipline put
everyone else, including the Delta team sent to rescue them, in jeopardy. Now I'm sure this wasn't Private Lynch's fault as I'm sure she never
complained of sexual harassment but that is the way the cookie crumbled.
Also the physical aspect of it. The achievements that a man has to work his butt off for, a woman only has to show up. Granted, I have known many
female soldiers to want the same standards or equivalent standards set for men but that's just not the way it is.
Many people don't know this but females in the Army, get paid more than males. A female with the same rank and time in service of a male, will make a
couple hundred dollars a year more than a male. I have known this to anger many men who have had to pick up the slack of those same women.
Then you get into the behaviors necessary to be around women in uniform. It takes several days of intense instruction on what you can't say or do
around females in uniform with most being an over exaggeration. Such things as never using the word "girl" even when not speaking of the female in
question, no talking about your wife or daughters not even when talking to another male, not talking about your plans for after work, no jokes of any
kind, no exclusion of any female in conversation - what little conversation you can now have, no using your hands in gestures because it can be
mistaken for a "pass" and absolutely no touching, not even to assist. There are so many things that male soldiers can not do or say around women and
so many things that soldiers have to do differently around women, that it becomes the greatest obstacle in the modern military. Soldiers literally
have to walk on egg-shells around a female in uniform and any slip up could be a huge deal. This not only takes important training time but it also
hurts the moral of both the women and men while causing them to focus on things other than the job at hand. It creates much undue anxiety.
I have known many male soldiers to refuse respect to women of higher rank and tell them to buzz off because they feel as if that female superior
didn't earn it. This is not good for anyone's military.
The thing about your military unit when your heading into a deployment is that you trust the guy on either side of you. You know that this guy has got
the same training as you and his abilities are the same as well. With women, they do not receive the same training and their ability does not have to
be the same as yours. This creates unnecessary anxiety and makes one lose his confidence with the people on either side of him.
Now of course, there are many women who are just as capable, if not more so than many men but they are not required to live up to that ability so it
is a big unknown.
Again, this is not the fault of the females in uniform but it is the way it is, due to the civilian leadership and the problem of women getting angry
and yelling sexual harassment to get even. The military just took the grey area out of the equation so that this can't happen and they are less
likely to be sued. What happens when gay men start to do the same thing? Are we then going to cast the same eggshells before the feet of men serving
with homosexuals? I would hope not but it is a more than real possibility.
Personally, I'm all for both women and gays in the military but something has to be done, not only about the different standards but also the
different protocols that come attached with them. Our current protocols surrounding women in the military have definitely created a less effective
fighting force and many people, both men and women would agree. If we do the same thing for gay men in the military, if we go about it the same way,
we are going to be in big trouble.
Note: Their are also many positive things about women in the military, even with the current standards and protocols, that I have not listed up top
due to relevance. Also, I have not mentioned many women who meet or exceed not only the physical standards set for men but also the disciplinary
standards, though I have found that not to be typical.
[edit on 29-5-2010 by airspoon]