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posted on May, 29 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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The illuminati=extension of Nature

There has been a lot of information regarding this simple fact on the internet in the last 2 years but I have yet to see it on this forum.

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It is important to understand that the new world order is not the work of some insane group of people who want control and to destroy the earth. In fact, the illuminati are an extension of nature.
I used to play the blame game like all of you. I used to blame everything on the illuminati and I used to try and "wake up" the masses so that we can come together and stop the NWO and the illuminati.

However, I soon came to the conclusion that the problems of the world are due to the greedy, lazy, illusional, and reality-fearing masses. Hang with me on this. The only way you can understand this is if you (even just for fun) start taking responsibility and stop blaming the illuminati. In fact, it is only logical but even us..in the know..still refuse to face reality for what it is.For example,

Pollution is the fault of the illuminati? How can a small group of people pollute the world. The masses have CHOSEN to drive the cars...no one put a gun to their heads and FORCED them.

War and Destruction is the fault of the illuminati? Wrong again, who WILLINGLY pulls the trigger? WHo WILLINGLY pushes the button to drop the bomb? The masses

Inflation the fault of the illuminati? Nope, it is the greedy sheeple who want to get rich without working and focusing so they take out huge loans...WILLINGLY they take out loans. (remember money is created out of thin air the moment someone takes out a loan). Loans the can never pay back.

Now I am not saying the illuminati are very good..what is good anyway. What I am saying is that if you consider the average person and their ILLOGICAL ideas (GOD, HEAVEN, FAIRNESS, etc..) and their Fears( SATAN, HELL) and their dependance on the Illuminati (protest all u want but we all shop and play in THEIR playground, which means the masses are not WILLING to go out and hunt or find shelter on their own) we can logically conclude that the MASSES have never and will never be focused enough or hard working enough to face reality and live on their own. Thats why the masses depend on the illuminati.


Sure there is propaganda (news, movies, etc..) But the masses WILLINGLY WATCH it. No one FORCES them to watch it. IN fact, here is where it gets INTERESTING..the masses DEMAND that there be PROPAGANDA. Why you ask.....because if u believe it or not...EVERY SINGLe PERSON WAKES UP TO THE FACT OF THE MATRIX (fantasy world) THEY WAKE UP AND DO NOT WANT TO take RESPONSIBLITY.. so they beg the illuminati to create propaganda and other distractions so they dont FACE REALITY.
NO ONE CAN ARGUE THIS FACt.

YOU are NOT THE ONLY ones AWAKE. EVERy ONE wakes up, but the masses are LAZY, GEEDY, DELuSIONAL, and ILLOGICAL so they REFUSE TO LIVE in reality. THEY CHOOSE to be in the MATRIX.

THIS IS THE REASON WHY WHEN YOU TRY TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER THEY GET MAD AND ANGRY. THey know this already but are not willing to be in reality because they would have to start being responsible for their actions.

the illuminati give the MASSES what the MASSES want. An ARTIFICIAL WOMB that will allow them to try all sorts of things without ever being held responsible.
I could go on about this but not enough room

WHy are they an extension of Nature. BEcause when the masses become even more greedy and lazy (which they always do) it is their responsiblity to kill of a portion of the population to BALANCE out the predator to prey ratio. the illuminati respect nature.
The illuminati WORK HARD, the masses do not do ANYTHING.
remember, even a ROMAN SLAVE worked hard but he was still a slave.
AND the roman slave stayed with the master because the MATER gave him FOOD and SHELTER. he could have TAKEN RESPONSIBility and ran away and made his own WORLD. but didnt
MUCH LIKE THE MASSES, who are the reason why the World is not perfect..
not the illuminati.

Just a fact




posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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What is your definition of illuminati? Where is this idea of an illuminati coming from?



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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i agree. illuminati is human nature, or at least the product of.
if not the illuminati, the nwo, it would be some "malicious" organization...it *is* human nature. people in power want more power, and honestly, someone is GOING to be in power and then just coverly think of MORE ways to get MORE power. redundant, i know.

but again, i agree...
even beyond the whole catalyzing aspect of TPTB, illuminati, NWO, whatever you want to call it...it is just a part of this reality and the way our society/civilization/HUMAN BEINGS are made to operate.

on a spiritual level i believe it is our job as individuals to wake up to this fact and take back our sovereignty (beginning as individuals) by simply realizing we have had it all along.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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I read this whole post, and although I agree with needing to take responability and stand up, I think you answered yourself by saying "sure they own all the industries that ruin this Earth..." and "sure they use propaganda to brainwash us..." of course i am paraphrasing a lil. I just made a similar case although I was not defending the illuminati or NWO but rather asking if people can come up with ideas to bring this about themselves without TPTB doing it. Check it out: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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Our economic and political structures have alot to be responsible for also.

It is the masses that are largely to blame. But having said that, you have to take into consideration the following:

Do they give us what we want?
OR
Do we want what we are given?

Supply and demand.

Is what's being supplied in our best interests?
Who is propagating the demand? The masses? Or, the Gate Keepers and Culture Creators?

I personally am all for a "New World Order" - so long as it is not a cementation of the "Old World Order" we have been living under since the birth of civilization.

Fear and Scarcity is no supplement for Love and Plenty.

We need to decentralise power, centralise information, limit waste(d energy) and move toward worldwide communally-debated (in pursuit of Truth not egoisticism) responsible goals, that we move through in a set order of completion-implementation-chronology within sound (infra)structure based on sustainability, renewability and supreme functionality.

And remember when speaking of "The Masses" - bear in mind that if you have the money to own a mobile phone you are in the top 7% of the richest people in the world. And if you can eat 3 meals a day for 3 weeks you are in the top 15% of the richest people in the world.

With that in mind, preaching to starving people in a third world country about saving the environment and conforming to international minimum standards is pretty naive if you ask me.

Another question? Does the end justify the means?

I'm all for it, but transparency and involvement would be nice.

Rather than using the scarcity of money and differential advantage as the guiding force, I could think of thousands of other approaches that would be better.

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posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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Great post! please feel free to add these or any other insights to this thread also, www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks!



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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Yes, TPTB don't believe they are evil, even with their more sinister plans... they justify it as good. They are simply filling the gaps in nature. Where advantage can be taken, it will. Where lies can be told for military advantage, governmental advantage, etc. they will be.

But I don't believe they have to kill us all and I don't believe doing so will stop the truth from continuing on. Why should we suffer because they can't evolve their rule? (That's the problem with TPTB at this time, they spend all their energy suppressing us and forget to actually organize a WORKING plan to rule the world... just look at the EU falling apart) I'm not too concerned about the NWO after realizing their ineptness... plus the fact that we remain far too divided and nationalistic, thanks in part, of course TO the NWO and their manipulation.

They will never succeed with their more sinister plans, such as forced vaccinations or chips. It's simply not possible. You can't just pretend to support freedom for decades and pull the rug out from under everyone. It won't work. They will be forced to compromise, so the slaves remain happy IF they can even manage to maintain control (they better stop the shenanigans pretty quick, IMO)




posted on May, 29 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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You make some good points. Where we seem to differ...
The illuminati must shoulder the greater part of blame for the destruction of a society. Their intent is not to create a harmonious society, only one that is profitable to THEM.
The masses are like children, but you don't blame children for making childish mistakes. You try to educate them to make better decisions, not exploit them for your own benefit.
That is the crux of the problem that the more enlightened ones among us have to deal with. Only a few try to raise the consciousness of the "sheeple", while a very powerful few work to lower it. The illuminati do not have a RIGHT to do so, only the POWER to do so.
What they do is make the world more difficult to navigate as a result of their small thinking.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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You kind of lost me when you blame the people. Don't you know that the "Elites" approve the way we are "educated"? That they have created all "top secret" levels? That they make sure there is not enough food on Earth so they can regulate the prices? That they... I could go on and on...

To give you a better understanding of what I mean, here's an example: Would you say it is the children's fault if the parents feed him s**t, teach him all kinds of false hood and tell them that to eat a bit of rat poison everyday is good for the health? Because that is what you do, playing the blame game.

If you were a hero in a movie, you would go the way of the baddies because the goodies were partly trashed? It looks like the easy way for me...

Don't get angry at me, i just want to understand...

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posted on May, 29 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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This thread is quite interesting as I myself have been pondering about this topic for a while.

There are two issues brought to table here, that are to be dealt with separately.
!> illuminati: the current structure of all societies is based on competitiveness, which has led to: the more I know and the less you know the better it is for me.

Therefore, we all from childhood are kept in the dark about many important aspects of life, and we are only taught those things that the elite may need us to know, to serve their purpose.

We are kept to live in a dream for being able to achieve a similar position as them, and once we discover that this is for most of us an impossible task, we try to make the best out of life, in order to have a decent income/life, under these circumstances.

Once in this treadmill, we are locked into position and we accept or not or no longer and become the puppets on a string in the hands of those who own us.

Now I believe in any society, like ours, or like one where there is no money, love and plentiness, where people do things for society, because they are proud of being able to contribute to the whole, there also will be a need of leaders. Those leaders, however, should be doing their job not for loving to have power and other privileges, but for their love to the society to which they are the best to contribute through leadership for a while.

That is the BIG difference with us now. In this utopic world leaders would be very proud to teach all of us what they know, so that we all are in a better position to contribute to our society with our hands or minds, to bring that society forward faster and faster. From which we would benefit all.

So, in this sense I would disagree with you Mr.Jelly. The roots of our education and the system we are in are wrong, and from our childhood we are limited by those who shaped this world.

!!> NWO: I believe that with the developments we have been making as mankind, with the fast forms of transportation, internet and video communication, TV and telephone, the world indeed has become ONE large VILLAGE. Also I believe that with the challenges we have as mankind we have no option than to become ONE people on this planet. What one does in the USA has a direct consequence to other parts of the world and visa versa.

Also if we are to explore great challenges, such as space exploration, deep sea explorations, zero-energy power, propulsion systems, we need to combine our forces, brains, resources, to make it all happen much faster and much more effective, than each of the regional powers would be able to do it on its own.

We as mankind should be ashamed of ourselves to see such a misuse of wealth in one part of the worldt, whilst in other parts of this same world people (our brothers and sisters) are left to rot. This is the 21st century !!! We are supposed to become enlightened, but how can we if we are exploiting our mother Earth and our fellow world citizens, for our own greed??

Why would we need to have borders any longer; truly free we only are if we can do those things we want and go where we want without have to be chipped and controlled by borders. All this is to control us.

NWO, it is a matter of time, but it is certainly unavoidable, and we should encourage it, and not be afraid of it. Those amongst us that wish to continue to live in their current country structure and want to hold on to OUT-OF-DATE constitutions, I would say: sorry but you better come out of your bunker and open your window blinds and embrace the world.

Love, peace, from my heart !!



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by MrJelly
The illuminati=extension of Nature

However, I soon came to the conclusion that the problems of the world are due to the greedy, lazy, illusional, and reality-fearing masses......

Pollution is the fault of the illuminati? How can a small group of people pollute the world. The masses have CHOSEN to drive the cars...no one put a gun to their heads and FORCED them.

War and Destruction is the fault of the illuminati? Wrong again, who WILLINGLY pulls the trigger? WHo WILLINGLY pushes the button to drop the bomb? The masses


Sounds like the old "If you cant beat them join them" I need $$ argument. Poor logic, poor research.

Pollution is mainly caused by fossil fuel technology, yet people who've tried to bring forth alternatives energy technologies have been killed, threatened etc. Why ? because they threatened the Oil Cartels monopolies.

"Control the oil and you can control entire continents. Control food and you control people." Henry Kissinger.

WW II Who created Hitler ? - Wall Street financed, created and made killer profits from Hilter, the U.S. War Industry, and the resulting transfer of gold to the U.S. over the next 20 years with Bretton Woods.

Kennedy tried to stop these economic Hench men. Did Kennedy put a gun to his head and pull the trigger ????

Maybe you need to look into the mirror and see if your one of the greedy, lazy, illusional, and reality-fearing masses......



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Thank you all for replying.
Please read the following for I am responding to a few THEMES most people like yourselves always mention.

THEME 1. The masses CHOOSE to be brainwashed. It is not the "education" or "media" that FORCES the masses to believe one way or another. The illuminati (elite, leaders, etc) ALWAYS provide CHOICE. for example, you do not have to watch tv or believe what is in school.
Conclusion- the masses rather live in an illusion, the artificial womb, rather than face reality and be responsible.

THEME 2. The illuminati DO NOT WANT MORE, or MORE MONEY, or MORE CONTROL. Think about it. They have it all...and have had it all most of the time. Also, notice how they always leave the hunter-gatherer societies alone. They do NOTHING to them. WHY???because those people are responsible and they pose no threat to the planet or human race. 1. they do not multiply like crazy.2. tthey do not eat too much. 3 etc..
Conclusion- the illuminati/nwo/elit etc are ONLY there to make sure the planet and human race will move on.

THEME 3. The masses are LAZY, GREEDY, DELUSIONAL and fear responsibilty.
That is why they keep wanting a new president or whoever, so they BLAME things on them. For example, OBAMA and HOPE. When do you use the word HOPE???
"I HOPE the movie doesnt start on time coz I was NOT RESPONSIBLE enough to get there on time." etc..
So the problem is and has always been the masses. They are not "nice" or "good". The masses will act kind and all but they are the one's to worry about. Even the masses are aware of this and that is why the matrix is set up...they BEGGED for it. THey begged for religion to take over. They begged for the nation states to form, for welfare, for it all.
Conclusion- The masses begged for, supported, and LOVE their enslavement. Being a slave gives you no responsibilities. "maste told me, maste forced me, maste made me believe, maste didnt let me see whats on the other side of the hill.

Illuminati are an extension of nature
it is NOT HUMAN NATURE to want more. the illuminati are not after MORE, or more control
The illuminati do not FORCE anything on anyone. NEVER have, that goes against nature.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Thank you all for replying.
Please read the following for I am responding to a few THEMES most people like yourselves always mention.

THEME 1. The masses CHOOSE to be brainwashed. It is not the "education" or "media" that FORCES the masses to believe one way or another. The illuminati (elite, leaders, etc) ALWAYS provide CHOICE. for example, you do not have to watch tv or believe what is in school.
Conclusion- the masses rather live in an illusion, the artificial womb, rather than face reality and be responsible.

THEME 2. The illuminati DO NOT WANT MORE, or MORE MONEY, or MORE CONTROL. Think about it. They have it all...and have had it all most of the time. Also, notice how they always leave the hunter-gatherer societies alone. They do NOTHING to them. WHY???because those people are responsible and they pose no threat to the planet or human race. 1. they do not multiply like crazy.2. tthey do not eat too much. 3 etc..
Conclusion- the illuminati/nwo/elit etc are ONLY there to make sure the planet and human race will move on.

THEME 3. The masses are LAZY, GREEDY, DELUSIONAL and fear responsibilty.
That is why they keep wanting a new president or whoever, so they BLAME things on them. For example, OBAMA and HOPE. When do you use the word HOPE???
"I HOPE the movie doesnt start on time coz I was NOT RESPONSIBLE enough to get there on time." etc..
So the problem is and has always been the masses. They are not "nice" or "good". The masses will act kind and all but they are the one's to worry about. Even the masses are aware of this and that is why the matrix is set up...they BEGGED for it. THey begged for religion to take over. They begged for the nation states to form, for welfare, for it all.
Conclusion- The masses begged for, supported, and LOVE their enslavement. Being a slave gives you no responsibilities. "maste told me, maste forced me, maste made me believe, maste didnt let me see whats on the other side of the hill.

Illuminati are an extension of nature
it is NOT HUMAN NATURE to want more. the illuminati are not after MORE, or more control
The illuminati do not FORCE anything on anyone. NEVER have, that goes against nature.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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WHile I respect most people on this site..you are not one of them. You do not posses the ability to think. Yes Im being a dick.
last time I checked...HITLER could not have KILLED the millions of people.
IT WAS INDIVIDUAL GERMAN CITIZENS (the masses) who pulled the trigger. THEY ARE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
see how you (much like the masses) like to blame and never take responsibility.

you blame wallstreet all you want, but wallstreet is calculated, logical, and a business.
wallstreet does not kill. it is not an entity you fool.

So the blame for deaths goes to the person who pulls the trigger or starts the gas chamber.. Watch this
"ITS NOT MY Fault, maste "hitler" TOLD ME TO DO IT"
"I was just following orders"
Nice one kid, take no responsibility. DO as you are told so you could put the blame on others.
NO ONE FORCED them to kill. THe masses have a desire to destroy. they just want someone to blame the total deaths on.

Pollution-
who the # drives the vehicles, WHO THE # keeps buying the products? the masses. You think the masses do NOT know what the problem is???they dont give a #. when faced with the facts they blame the companies.
on and on and on and on

BUT IM SORRY, it was a lot more warm, safe, and fuzzy in your artificial womb of blaming a few people for the ENORMOUS amount of damage.

Oh and kennedy? really? wtf. keep searching for that one man who was "GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL" oh how the masses love LUKE skywalker. lol. one hero to safe them all.
so pathetic.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Humans are all emotional creatures except for maybe a few sociopaths or psychopaths.

This is the deal. You did give some valid points, which I won't go over, but allow me to explain something that you completely missed.

Back before a lot of the land was so controlled by the banks, it was possible to go out and get your own land (or take someone else's) and use it and profit from it. How some people came to have so much money is that they literally claimed they won over the people with elections. They might have been more honest in the very beginning, but with power, they figured out how to keep the power between themselves. That abuse of power is the first step toward keeping it over and over again for centuries.

So, you get people (politicians, kings, emperors) to put you in a position, then once there, you go around expanding and grabbing more and more. Now yes some governments were overthrown, but I'm trying to keep it simple.

Nations grew by having smart military leaders to expand the empire because eventually you'll come across someone else and clash and get your army killed and your land taken over.

Things changed with technology eventually, though. People who amassed a lot of wealth wanted a safe place to put it so that criminals couldn't rob them from their homes. So they made banks for them and everyone else too. Seems like a good deal, but they began to do things like charge interest on loans. It started out reasonable, so people didn't mind. Now, from this point to where we are today, there is a world of difference.

Today, you can't get as wealthy and powerful as these people if you worked 5 lifetimes. Now you might say "they earned it, you didn't." No no. It was accumulated slowly and passed on. They did work hard and were smart, but friends in high places and a rich family go a very long way in creating further generations. They made sure to keep the money in the family. Forget giving it all away to charity (NONE to the kids like SOME families do today), and don't forget how they got in that position in the first place: they told the people they would run things and convinced them with reasons why. They were power hungry then like they are now, and they used people to accomplish things.

How do you think this guy made so much money? You think he said to his employees "Hey guys, look, I've got a lot of extra money, let's just split it. I know you busted your butts hammering spikes in the ground across the USA. I know that's hard work, so let's be fair." NOT. He kept the money and invested it into new ways to make even more so that he could make even more. That allowed for control to be kept in the family because had that money been shared, some other family would probably be in their place now or very close. So you see how money invested in your own businesses leads to more power and potential.

Loaning money at high interest is saying "I trust you. Here have some money, and just pay me a little more each month until you pay off the entire thing." It's making money because you have money. It sounds fair because everyone can do the same thing, you might think, but that's not true because every other guy that comes along these days isn't going to have the tremendous head start that these generations of families have had.

What you are thinking is like thinking that an extremely rich family has the same earning potential in banking as a poor family. Simple calculation alone will prove that:
if you can loan someone 1,000,000,000 to build a mall that you don't have an advantage over a poor family that can only afford to loan out 10,000.

The banks make big money on interest. You make more interest the more you lend. You can't lend millions of times more money to people if you've started out poor! Even if you were successful in building your own bank, you'll never catch up to the family that has been doing it for generations and passing it down and keeping it in the family.

The thing about interest is that it spirals out of control eventually because you have to print more and more money because you have to keep earning more. Wealth isn't just transferred from one person to another to another, but rather a bank makes money on top of money on top of money.

Now that is as simple as it gets. Making money in interest off of money already had is making money simply by using money you already have. It is a very smart system, but it spirals out of control.

Because of it, it is very hard to make money today without being smart, AND getting into debt, AND having connections (usually), AND being able to pay it back. You want to go to college to get an Ivy League education? Sure, no problem. 200,000 please, and I hope you can pay it back. Meanwhile, the bank will make interest simply for giving you money.

If you want to make it fair game, you would have to strip the money from certain people and let someone else do it, but that will never happen. They won't allow it. It was a brilliant scheme that will only work once because if they let anyone else do it, there family will be the ones in our shoes trying to make money by first getting into debt and hoping you can live a comfortable lifestyle for the rest of your life.

At the same time, these filthy rich people do not impress me, and I wouldn't want to be them. People who live certain lifestyle require certain mindsets. I don't have it. Most people reach a certain point where they are happy with what they have. These people who have conquered the world through schemes and manipulation deserve their money, but for them, I think it might be a bit of an addiction of always wanting more and never wanting to give that power away.

I won't even get into the power and influence of the television, but I'll tell you it's like a drug too. Everyone America gets their high some way, trust me. If it isn't that, it might be drugs or alcohol or sex. I'll say this though: if I had kids, they wouldn't be a television available to them, and they wouldn't go to a cheap school.

Some people these days can make millions and billions through innovative ideas and taking advantage of new markets, but they're not going to catch up the old banking families.

Since you seem so much more in control and responsible, please let us all know who you are when you catch up with the richest in the world!



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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There are alot of things I have no proof of that are mentioned in the OP....But.

I do believe in our purpose as being to unite...under our own will as a species, to unite our lands and people and offer ourselves to eachother. To come together as a world our of our own will and choice.

So in a way...I do support a NWO. Just not by force.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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MrJelly, your starting point is totally wrong and therefore you come to the wrong conclusions.

6000~10,000 years ago the shaping of our current society has started, and it is during this period that some people have taken leadership through either smartness, wealth, claimed land ownership through or/with violence, leaving NO CHOICE for the masses to obey them.

If one pays enough to some people they will protect you, as otherwise they will loose there living. Whose bread one eats, whose words one speaks....

The world is ruled with money only. Those who control it, controls the masses. The masses have no choice as they are dependent on their income.

On several occasions in history people have overthrown the ruling class, and arranged the appointment of other rulers, that in the end are manoeuvred in the same position by the people who dominate the world with their money.

You see it as an example with Obama. Change....Yes we can.
Now I don't need to tell you, that NOBODY is able to change the agenda of TPTB. All so-called leaders are put into position, and their freedom to make changes that they see necessary, are only allowed if it fits in the TPTB plans for the world. If not done, than assassination will follow as we have seen with JFK.

We all see it, we all know it, but we don't know how to collectively stand-up. It is a matter of time though, until certain limits are exceeded than an explosion will follow. (see Thailand).

I agree with you though, TPTB (=illuminati) don't need more money, don't need more power, because they have all, and only want to protect their ownership.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Likewise I could say the same for you.

Thieves will always find a way to justify their reasons for stealing, through force or deception.

That about sums up your posts.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Sorry folks, I have read all your posts and they are all not correct. I will point out the reasons.. HOWEVER, I do see where you are coming from. From a GOOD PLACE. the problem is the word GOOD has no place in nature. its subjective. Anyway here we go.

Theme 1- THE WEALTH of people. OH MY MY. lets complain more about how BACK IN THE DAY you could get wealthy and NOW the BANKS have all control and bla bla bla. Money is not real, created out of thin air bla bla bla, the first bank note bla bla, the goldsmith who lend out other people's money and loans and bla bla bla.
No point at all. This theme is itself flawed because it states that you MUST have money to do something. or that you cant get wealthy. You CAN GET WEALTHy. It took me years to get my doctorate in psychology and it was well worth it. Coz it bring me a sick amount of cash now.
Go get an M.D. its not hard, just takes time and focus.
You can do a lot with 200k a year. Or dont get money and live a happy life. You all CHOICE to be EXACTLY where you are RIGHT THIS FREAKING MOMENT.
NO one FORCED you. You had options. YOu chose, and in fact EVERYONE chose (I will explain this after theme 2).

Theme 2- WTF are you guys talking about? society (artificial womb), the hierarchical structure is a joke. its based on a trick (sun, moon, etc) and the masses CHOSE to give their power over to the few who were able to establish ORDER in the UNIVERSE (meaning they figured out the orbit of the stars and all that...now there was order in the world, the stars were not crazy).
Are you complaining about the way things are NOW? wtf, look around you. How hard do you have it? It hurts your heart that children in places over the world cant get food? HOW THE FUK would they have survived without the UN and other agencies giving them food. THEY WOULD HAVE DIED OFF.
lol, nature dictates that animals will die when they can not get food. AINT SAD, its just reality. Law of Nature and 3rd grade info.

SOMeone, PLEASE.
With a few senteces..prove anything I have written as incorrect. NOT WRONG? or imoral or unethical or wrong speling or crap that does not count objectively.

The fact is this----
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From the moment you are BORN, there is RISK in life. By you CHOOSING TO LIVE (not committing suicide) you accept the fact that life is RISKY. That you might die for no reason. That things are not fair. That NATURE is not ethical or "right". That others are born wealthy and you are not. And that within those limits of your life (as in you cant sprout wings and fly or grow to be 8 feet tall)..again within those limits you have CHOICES.

So if you wanna be upset that your grandparents did not focus and think ahead enough to create a bank for you because they were too busy eating carbohydrades and drinking beer or having a great time with family and friends...do that elsewhere.
You see, the ancestors of the current day illuminati went out of their way to make sure their kids would have a better set up than the rest of us. THAT IS A FACT.
WHY?? BECAUSE THEY ARE LOGICAL..not emotional.
you all speak from emotion..no point in nature about emotion.



posted on May, 29 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by zzombie
reply to post by MrJelly
 


Likewise I could say the same for you.

Thieves will always find a way to justify their reasons for stealing, through force or deception.

That about sums up your posts.





Thieves? hmmmm. I dont know what to say. I make sure NO ONE STEALS my things. Coz I take care of my family and myself. law of nature sweety.

Also, if the bigger, smarter, animal with a better weapon or strategy creeps up on you, nature dictates that your ass is grass.
But you have a choice to run, hide, do something so you and your family is safe.

Oh and the thieves you speak of are the reason why you are alive today darlin. you think the masses would have done anything better than what we have now? LOL.
dont kid yourself.

TESLA and all other energy sources or whateverthefuk you all preach on about never made it coz the masses do NOT WANT THAT. IF they wanted it we would have had it.
When the masses sit on their asses, by choice, and rather go to war, by choice, for oil that they pump in their car, by choice, and by CHOICE they invade another country and by CHOICE kill other humans...
hmmmm see a TRUE THEME here.

No one is breainwashed without choice.
Its like teh movie matrix says (dude in white beard to Neo), "When the people were given the CHOICE of the matrix or reality, 97 percent choice the matrix."

aint no thieves sweetheart, and aint no darth mal, or big bad wolf, or sith or jedi, LOL.
just reality. no dark side
But blaming the elite for the world's problems makes you feel GREAT about yourself. That you are not responsible for anything. "THEY stole, they killed, HItler killed, Bush killed" you all say.
INcorrect, but it takes responsibility away from you. "I WILL GO AND VOTE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE" LOL.



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