Who Is Jesus' Father?

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posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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I chanced upon this topic over at davidicke forums and I feel I should also answer this here at ATS.

In determining who Jesus' Father is, let us first acknowledge as I have written prior why yahoweh(Jehova) is NOT JESUS's FATHER nor our True God.
Yahweh is merely a title for "lord" and dare I say a Pharisee Judaen disguise of satan desiring to be worshipped as God. No different than Judas Iscariot becoming a devil with satan inside him to betray The Christ as Jesus HIMSELF STATED in the testimony of JOHN. Jesus told you that they are of their father the devil and that judas has the devil in him.

This is quite easily recognized because they called God, Elohim (all powerful one) then in Geneses 2:4 they call God "yahweh elohim" for lord God, see?
They did this because in hebrew elohim is close to the same writing as I AM as told to Moses by God. (ALHYM/AHYM). So they decided to use the lesser title of lord

Study the following carefully and then you will understand more manna for your Spirit of Self Preservation with The Christ.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created heaven and earth
Genesis 2:4
4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

Torah Genesis ch 1
בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

אֵלֶּה תוֹלְדוֹת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְהָאָרֶץ, בְּהִבָּרְאָם: בְּיוֹם, עֲשׂוֹת יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים--אֶרֶץ וְשָׁמָיִם. 4
These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

in the day that Yahweh Elohim made the earth and heaven.
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King James Bible; New Testament;

John.1:

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. 9 That was the true light, which enlightens every man that comes into this world.

I baptize with water: but there has stood one in the midst of you, whom you know not. 27 The same is he that shall come after me, who is preferred before me: the latchet of whose shoe I am not worthy to loose.

29 The next day, John saw Jesus coming to him; and he says: Behold the Lamb of God.

32 And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit coming down, as a dove from heaven; and he remained upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me: He upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizes with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw: and I gave testimony that this is the Son of God.

51 And he said to him: Amen, amen, I say to you, you shall see the heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

3 Jesus answered and said to him: Amen, amen, I say to you, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to you, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

John 1;ch 3:13
And no man has ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.

John 1; ch 6:38
Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him that sent me. 39 Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he has given me, I should lose nothing; but should raise it up again in the last day. 40 And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who sees the Son and believes in him may have life everlasting. And I will raise him up in the last day."

46 Not that any man has seen the Father; but he who is of God, he has seen the Father. 47 Amen, amen, I say unto you:

John Chapter 8 verse 13.

13 The Pharisees therefore said to him: You give testimony of yourself. Your testimony is not true. 14 Jesus answered and said to them: Although I give testimony of myself, my testimony is true: for I know whence I came and whither I go. 15 You judge according to the flesh: I judge not any man. 16 And if I do judge, my judgment is true: because I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 And in your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that give testimony of myself: and the Father that sent me gives testimony of me. 19 They said therefore to him: Where is your Father? Jesus answered: Neither me do you know, nor my Father. If you did know me, perhaps you would know my Father also.

21 Again therefore Jesus said to them: I go: and you shall seek me. And you shall die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come. 22 The Jews therefore said: Will he kill himself, because he said: Where I go you cannot come? 23 And he said to them: You are from beneath: I am from above. You are of this world: I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. 25 They said therefore to him: Who are you? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you. 26 Many things I have to speak and to judge of you. But he that sent me, is true: and the things I have heard of him, these same I speak in the world. 27 And they understood not that he called God his Father. 28 Jesus therefore said to them: When you shall have lifted up, the Son of man, then shall you know that I am he and that I do nothing of myself. But as the Father has taught me, these things I speak. 29 And he that sent me is with me: and he has not left me alone. For I do always the things that please him. 30 When he spoke these things, many believed in him. 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him: We are the seed of Abraham: and we have never been slaves to any man. How do you say: You shall be free? 34 Jesus answered them: Amen, amen, I say unto you that whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. 35 Now the servant abides not in the house for ever: but the son abides for ever. 36 If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. 37 I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus says them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not. 41 You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded and came. For I came not of myself: but he sent me. 43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45 But if I say the truth, you believe me not. 46 Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me: 47 He that is of God hears the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.

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Matthew ch 3:13
13 Then comes Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan, unto John, to be baptized by him. 14 But John stayed him, saying: I ought to be baptized by you, and you come to me? 15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Allow it to be so now. For so it becomes us to fulfil all justice. Then he allowed him. 16 And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him. 17 And behold a voice from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

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The Son of Man is The Trinity known as The Father,The Son and The Holy Ghost.
The Son of Man in reality IS BORN in Heaven OF the Father. He is God's First Son of Man.
God is a Man, thus Son of Man in Heaven and Son of Man for our Earth as The Chosen Christ.
Throughout time, many Sons of Man have appeared in certain and specific Ages. Jesus was One of Many, but they are ALL THE SAME.

Jesus says in John as posted above that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. This is the TRINITY where the Union is the Holy Spirit.

That is what the Pharisee illuminati of satan's servants try to destroy in all of you, that is The Power of Your Spirit. Which is what they try to steal from you by their murderous rituals or mass murders (wars,911,etc) in hopes of "transcendental illumination with satan's powers" for themselves. In other words, evil spirits, demons or this "reptillian" terminology today.
That is part of our awakening today in understanding the greatness, power and freedoms of our Spirits. An example is that when we have sex, it's sex. When we make love we are advancing our Spirits to a higher level of energy that becomes Ultra magnified. Seldom do many ever experience this, which is part of that hidden power that satan's servants (nwo = zmo = zionist masonic oligarchy = pharisees) do not want you to achieve.

For through our Spiritual Power we can become self existant and sustained and United in Spirit with The Christ, which is why Christ's food sustains you.

Do you understand the Son of Man, The Trinity and Spiritual power now?

I believe another "chosen Son of Man" known as "Philitis The Shepherd" whom I call Jesa The Pure, was murdered on Dec.10th, 3474.bC.
I also have always believed in Jesus since childhood. I don't believe Jesus is jewish or has anything to do with the Judaen Pharisees as he himself says.
These Judaen Pharisees are your illuminati today who go by many names, religions and nations. (zionists,jesuits,rosicrucians,oto,satanists,etc.)
They gained all their power from Egypt and with the Phoenicians who are the "Dark Brothers" or "unruly evil Atlanteans", hence Pharisees, Pharaohs, Philos,PhreeMasons etc.(5500 years)

Let us proceed to Jesus' Father who is I AM as He Himself told you in John and ask yourselves this very important questions;

"Why was John the Chosen one to Baptise The Christ?"
"Why does Jesus often start off a sentence with; AMEN, AMEN, I say unto you!"?
"Why does AMEN in Egypt mean "The Hidden One"?
"Why is AMEN the oldest Egyptian God and why were the Egyptians the most advanced culture that ALL secret societies look to?"
"Who is I AM?"

Well, I have already explained all this in my other thread in David Icke's religion topic and this two pictures should be enough for you to know Jesus's Father and Our Trinity.






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posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Man! you obviously went through some time and effort to make this thread but after skimming through it I still don't know who is the dad of Jesus? I looked at the pics, in the first one Bob Marleys "Were Jammin" kept playing in my mind so that just ruined my concentration and in the second, I couldn't read the text. So who is the father then, is it God?



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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YHVH


Second line..



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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I think Jesus birth is more of a miracle. The same with Issac, John the Baptist and others whose birth were foretold.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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My only question for you is...
...why is it so important for you to attempt to deconstruct who Jesus father was?

Haven't you got more interesting things to do with your life...
...like going fishing or some other mindless amusement?

Remember that you only have three-score and ten and if more then with struggle...
...if you don't believe that you have continuity of life through Jesus post-mortem...
...then why waste your time trying to sell this nonesense?

Just curious about you motives.




posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
YHVH


Second line..


I agree with your simple answer for this thread. You did it with 4 letters.
And you are so correct.

I won't delve into trying to prove this correct because I will get a U2U
that says I have been "ill mannered", so I will let it ride.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Nice Conan avatar. I don't understand the post though. I sort of got confused when you used all the names of God then threw out Jesus being his son.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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As well with Samson and Samuel. My POV on this issue is that anything is possible with God.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Its better to keep the topic "short and sweet". So, since jesus is man made, and anything that is written of a god is obviously man made, (and full of absurd nonsense and contradictions at best) the father of them both is MAN. Why complicate the matter and spend all that time typing? It really is this simple!



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Jesus is just a man. I don't know much about God's appearance. Many will say he's a spirit and Universal. During his life Jesus ate, worked, and so much more that a normal human would do.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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Jesus parents were nephilim, this much I am sure of. Trying to get info on it is more difficult.

i found a reference on bibliotecapleyades that was interesting.




Who was Jeshewua-9? He had ET ancestry which the Elohim didn’t want revealed to the human race and thus fabricated the ’Immaculate Conception’ story. Both parents of Jeshewua-9, Mary and Joseph, were Nephilims. Joseph’s father was part of the Jehovah entity, which was involved in the creation of an Anunnaki species and worked with the Elohim. (See the role Jeshewua played in the crucifixion of Christ in the article, Who was Jesus?)


www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Not honestly sure what to make of that site of course. It is interesting however as we all suspect something of this question.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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YHVH what does this mean? is it a secret?

Man! this is like the Da Vinci code up in here....



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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That sounds very far fetched. Joesph did not father Jesus. His birth was consider a virgin birth. I.E a Virgin Birth.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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Based on the numerous other "jesus" characters that were simply mythical creations of earlier civilizations, I wouldnt feel confident at all claiming that such a historical man did even exist. Plus the fact that we do not even have any REAL actual proof of this miracle worker despite him being something that nearly everyone would want to write about or make a record of. But nothing exists! But we do have LOTS of SIMILAR mythical characters just like jesus. So at best jesus would have to be a copy.

And if there is a God it certainly CANNOT be what the Bible describes! Jeez, what a train wreck that book is when you ACTUALLY READ IT!

[edit on 27-5-2010 by Shine71]



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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You're correct on that issue. But OP is trying to present a idea on who Jesus father is. Where Jesus birth is a virgin birth.



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Based on the numerous other "jesus" characters that were simply mythical creations of earlier civilizations, I wouldnt feel confident at all claiming that such a historical man did even exist. Plus the fact that we do not even have any REAL actual proof of this miracle worker despite him being something that nearly everyone would want to write about or make a record of. But nothing exists! But we do have LOTS of SIMILAR mythical characters just like jesus. So at best jesus would have to be a copy.


Would you please be so kind as to post the "numerous other 'Jesus' characters by name and description.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by jagdflieger]



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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I thought this was discussed here several times already?

How about the Egyptian character named Horus. That should keep you busy for hours and hours, perhaps days. He alone shares nearly 200 UNIQUE similarities with Jesus. When you are done with Horus, let me know and I will continue giving you many more. I can keep you busy for months. Have fun!



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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You're correct on that issue. But OP is trying to present a idea on who Jesus father is. Where Jesus birth is a virgin birth.


So are you saying Jesus had no dad? that's gotta suck, no father figure in his life. Having to figure it all out on his own, you can imagine him shouting back at Joseph "You can't tell me what to do, You're not my real dad". Poor guy....



posted on May, 27 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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