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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by swordsman
Do you know Saint-Martin? There is no debate whatsoever as to whether or not Saint-Martin was in the Elu Cohen. The full and proper title of the Elu Cohen is, "The Order of Knight Masons, Elect Priests of the Universe". Pasquale received a masonic patent from Bonnie Prince Charles. Not a mason you say?
I have no doubt that you�ve read that Saint-Martin was a Mason. Like I�ve said, many people have tried to link him with Freemasonry, as they have with �Bonnie Prince Charles�, i.e., Prince Charles Edward Stuart, who was also not a Mason (and thus could not have issued a Masonic Patent). The fact remains that historical scholars, both within and without the Fraternity, have debunked the spurious claims that these two men were Masons. For more info on Prince Charles Edward Stuart�s alleged connection to the Fraternity, see my articles on Jacobite Masonry in the thread concerning the Ritual of the 32�, as well as the excellent books �Rose Croix: A History of the Ancient and Accepted Rite In England and Wales� by A.C.F. Jackson, and �History of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry� by Harold Van Buren Voorhis.
As for Saint-Martin, he had studied under Paschalis, who had formed the Rite of Elus Cohen. But the evidence that Saint-Martin ever joined this Rite is zilch. What is known for sure is that several Martinists, who were members of Paschalis� Rite, modified it after the latter�s death to include Martinist teachings, resulting in the �Reformed Rectified Rite�, which eventually merged with several Lodges of the Rite of Strict Observance. This Rite was once again modified, and still exists as the Knights Beneficent of the Holy City.
It is possible, of course, that Saint-Martin became a Freemason, but there is no evidence to support it. There are no Lodge records in existence listing him on the roll, and the claims that he founded Martinist Masonic Rites have been disproved.
[edit on 10-6-2004 by Masonic Light]
Originally posted by Mundane Egg
Has anyone had any experience with Theurgy? The Martinist make a big distinction between it and Magick.