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The Dulce facilities - really

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Glad you are back. Would you care to comment on this video
I posted in another UFO thread today:

www.youtube.com...




posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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First, there are absolutely UFO incidents that are NOT accountable by any explanation of natural phenomenon, misidentification, or application of known technology of any nation on Earth.

Second, the use of intimidation and threats have been an on-going and quite prevalent method of dealing with people in many different types of positions both in and out of the military.

Third, the development of secret organizations NOT controlled, funded, or overseen by legal Governmental oversight has occurred with 100% certainty.

Fourth, the DCI, Director of Central Intelligence, who has routinely been the Director of CIA, does NOT control a large number of these organizations, and would not be able to report on their activities or operations to the President. However, the lack of ability to report is sometimes due to intentional misconduct of the DCI, but is often due to the fact that those operations are not under the control of CIA.

Fifth, as I tried to emphasize on my thread about NGOs, there are functions and operations that operate outside of the legal Federal Government of the United States.

Without going into detail, I have knowledge of a manuscript written by someone of whom I believe completely, that will specifically deal with the points I listed above. He tried to publish the book under other circumstances in 1997, and everyone involved in its publication was intimidated to the point that the story was unable to be brought forward. I have read a preliminary version of the book that will be published, and it will prove many of the points I have made above. It will even describe how and why these "entities" came into being. It will describe many methods used by these entities. When it is released, perhaps by the end of the year, unless the publisher speeds up the normal process, this book will be read by many within our government, our military, our citizens, but will also be quite important to citizens of countries around the world.

If you could have read the manuscript I read, THEN watched this video, you would have recognized elements you cannot possibly fully appreciate otherwise.

I am sorry I cannot give you any further details, but the safety of my friend is very much at stake. He has had a computer he was using to write the story be completely wiped out, from the CPU, to the hard drive, to even the "cleaning" of the disc that was in the computer when the event occurred. Another hard drive simply "fried" (according to the computer person who tried to restore it) while he was working on this manuscript. He sent it to a highly knowledgable person within the movie industry, but three days after receiving it, two MIB, identifying themselves as part of a major studio, showed up and stated they wanted to move quickly on a major motion picture, with funding already available. All they needed was a good "Government conspiracy" story to create the screenplay from. The man denied he had any such information available. When the two men left, he took the manuscript, went straight to the post office, and mailed it back to my friend with a note to never contact him again about anything.

Under these circumstances, I am sure you can understand his reluctance to reveal himself, and my reluctance to reveal anything about this friend or his story.

This is the first time I have brought up this subject, for a bit of fear for my own safety and reputation. That was why I decided to "drop out" for a bit, to create enough documentation of my background to make any information I should bring forward on his behalf to seem believeable.

I know this was not the response you were looking for, but I am trusting God that this is the time to begin to reveal some of the information about what his book will say. Even the title of his book, I certainly believe, will quickly become part of the "lingo" of our modern age.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Ok thanks for your reply. You've peaked my interest in the book, and I look forward to the release.


[edit on 17-6-2010 by manta78]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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My firend said the book would be released in the December-January timeframe. However, the people at the publishing house are becoming a bit antsy, and may move up the release date to the September-October timeframe, according to what my friend felt, after talking to his contact on the phone last week. The publisher has even created a sort of special team, and no one outside the team is to be told anything about the book, or even that the book exists.

Believe me, based on what I've read, this book will set many tongues to wagging. I wish I could tell you the name, because even it is ultra-cool!



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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One area that people do not seem to really understand in the area of funding.

The way it works, if Congress provides the funds, they also provide the oversight. IF, however, that covert entity finds some way to acquire their own source of funds, they can also avoid the Congressional oversight.

The truth be known, this principle was very obvious in the Iran-Contra Affair, simply because they got caught. Otherwise, the secret funds the Iranians were providing to pay for the arms they were receiving was HOW President Reagan's team planned to keep paying for the Contras, in spite of the Boland Amendment.

That same principle lies behind some of the NGOs that are doing work with UFOs, covert operations world-wide, and many, many other functions the Federal Government would not support, or would hide completely from the American public!



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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Even black budgets are slush funds for various covert projects and funding. Most in the DOD have no access to any of the funding records, amounts or recipients. Truth is so correct, NGO's are common covers, as well as actual operations. I look forward to more information from Truth, if he reveals more, he is a very brave man.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Thanks, habu.

I have been very deliberate in approaching these subjects, and I will admit to some severe trepidation. However, I have risked my life for this country on numerous occasions, it is now that I am risking it for my country, BY my country - or at least components of it.

This is the very reason I stopped posting, made certain my ducks were in a row, provided the documentation on my Facebook site, and took a number of other precautions that I will not name here.

While many discussions on this site are just for fun, I am extremely serious with the information I have been posting the last few weeks. While BLACK BRIAR may be a fictional NGO for the Bourne movie series, BLACKWATER was not. There were people in BLACKWATER who clearly demonstrated that they are trained killers, and not over particular who they kill. They are one of many such programs, and unless someone spills the beans, the American public will never know they exist.

For anyone not familiar with NGOs, please go back to my other thread, because there are good discussions about this, by myself and others.

I will not violate the National Security Act, but I know HOW these organizations work well enough to recognize them in action in areas I did not personally encounter as part of my military duties, and I feel it is my mission to address these problems, among many others.

For all those who wore the uniform, we swore that we would protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!

That is why I joined ATS.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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Meaning corporate BW or op named BW? Sorry, been out of the field for a long while....



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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That totally depends.

NGOs are run by NGOs, that are run by NGOs.

Layers of deniability and confusion in trying to track down who belongs to whom.

The overall "Command" BW will operate multiple "little BWs" and they will each have their own spheres of responsibility. The Iraqi BW that was caught killing civilians was "disbanded." However, the personnel can simply be reassigned to other BW, or even other NGO organizations, change their uniforms, then go out the next day and do the same job they were doing before they were "punished."

Just like an octopus, if one tentacle is lost or damaged, it can be replaced by another one that looks just like it, and functions just like it. But the new name is "classified," and is protected by layers of classification, so how many people in the Government would even have access to the knowledge that the "new tentacle" is up and running, replacing the lost one?



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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One other thing. In an effort to create confusion, there can be different NGOs with virtually the same name. This is done so that if a question arises on one NGO, documents from the other NGO can be used to try to defuse the situation, because the "revealed" NGO is kept clean, yet can be "presented" as the NGO in question.

There are so many tricks used by NGOs that this is but the tip of the iceburg.

This is still applicable to the topic, however, as certain functions at Dulce are performed by NGOs.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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Even though there is so much apparent interest in Dulce, why isn't there more interest in what Sandia is up to?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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If the people interested in Dulce would pay more attention to Sandia, the picture of WHY Dulce exists would become much more clear.

C'mon, people, do I have to spell out everything for you?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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Underground Silo networks and more just a continuation of
what the Nazis thought were important.
Now we got them.
What a deal.
Win the war and lose free energy.
And the Illuminati say keep these Nazis like a good America should.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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Start with these:

NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sandia's primary mission is ensuring the U.S. nuclear arsenal is safe, secure, reliable, and can fully support our Nation's deterrence policy. We employ only the most advanced and failsafe technologies to fulfill our responsibilities as stewards of the nuclear stockpile.

World-class scientists and engineers are drawn to Sandia by opportunities to conduct breakthrough research. Sandia designs and integrates over 6,300 parts of a modern nuclear weapon's 6,500 components. And our state-of-the-art laboratories facilitate large-scale testing and computational simulation, supporting our efforts to:

•Enhance weapon and surveillance technology
•Create new technologies to safeguard our nuclear production complex
•Evaluate the nuclear arsenal for safety, security, and reliability
•Develop new defense options
•Update weapons systems to maintain their capabilities

Source: www.sandia.gov...


This:

Committed to science with the mission in mind, Sandia creates innovative, science-based, systems-engineering solutions to our Nation's most challenging national security problems. Sandia's guiding principals for ST&E ensure that the fundamental science and engineering core is vibrant and pushing the forefront of knowledge. Enabling our programs by effective application of that science base allows us to respond to current needs as well as anticipate the future.

Our Science, Technology and Engineering strategy is to create, integrate and apply capabilities to address national security challenges through investments in six research foundations:

Source: www.sandia.gov...

This:

Defense Systems and Assessments provides technical solutions for global security. Our work is aimed at engineering and integrating advanced science and technology into critical systems on behalf of our customers.

Source: www.sandia.gov...

And especially this:

1949
•1949 Responsible for weapon surveillance activities at the nation's nuclear weapon storage sites until 1960, when the introduction of sealed-pit weapons reduced the need for constant weapon maintenance. Sandia retains its stockpile surveillance responsibilities.
1950
•1950s Innovations in technologies to achieve the wooden bomb concept (a weapon that could sit ready in the stockpile for years with little maintenance).
•1956 Opened a new laboratory in Livermore, California.
•1958 Shock-resistant components and parachute systems made possible the safe laydown delivery of nuclear bombs.
1960
•1960 Tonopah Test Range replaced the Salton Sea Test Base as the permanent range for field testing components and weapon designs.
•1960 The science of terradynamics emerged from earth-penetrator design efforts.
•1960 The Permissive Action Link was introduced to prevent unauthorized use of nuclear weapons.
•1960 Sandia's Laminar Flow Clean Room was the first in a long line of weapons spin-offs.
•1962 The Strypi rocket was developed for the high-altitude Dominic nuclear test series.
•1962 The B61 design program to create a flexible lightweight tactical thermonuclear weapon began. Its most recent modification, the B61-11, was introduced in 1997.
•1962 Work began on an independently targeted warhead fully integrated with its reentry vehicle. The Navy subsequently contracted with Sandia for the mark 3 reentry body for the Poseidon Missile.
•1963 The VELA satellites, with Sandia-designed optical sensors as well as data processing, logic, and power subsystems, were launched to detect nuclear detonations.
•1966 Sandians helped locate the bomb lost in an aircraft collision over Palomares, Spain. This and other accidents prompted closer scrutiny of nuclear weapon safety; Sandia established an independent safety group to assess weapon designs.
1970
•1970 Designed the Safe Secure Trailer for transporting nuclear weapons. In succeeding years, Sandia also designed and tested accident resistant containers for nuclear materials.
•1972 Began an ongoing series of training opportunities for agencies concerned with physical security and developed more formidable barriers to protect crucial sites. Sandia is still involved with work related to physical security — recently introducing an improved airport security portal and a school physical safety design.
•1973 Responding to the energy crisis, Sandia carried out research on solar and wind technology, photovoltaics, enhanced fossil fuels recovery, and fusion development.
•1974 Named the technical advisor on the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, beginning a long series of scientific studies and site analyses. The first barrels of transuranic waste were placed into the facility in 1999.
1980
•1981 The Combustion Research Facility opened at Sandia/California. It is open to researchers from around the world.
•1983 Contributed to the assessment of countermeasures and vulnerability of the Strategic Defense Initiative.
•1983 Published research on strained-layer superlattices, a new class of materials that allow scientists to tailor semiconductors to specific functions.
•1984 Factored the 69-digit Mersenne number as part of the ongoing "black hat" effort to test and challenge weapon security codes.
1990

•1990 Sandia-advanced synthetic aperture radar (SAR) was used in Desert Storm. Capable of seeing through cloud cover, SAR was first studied at Sandia in 1986.
•1991 Congress passed the Cooperative Threat Reduction Act, opening the way for collaboration among US and former Soviet weapon labs.
•1993 The mission assignment for neutron generator production was given to Sandia.
•1994 The Cooperative Monitoring Center opened. The Center hosts arms control specialists from around the world, informing them about available treaty-monitoring technologies used to build confidence among neighboring nations.
•1995 Sandia and Intel agreed to pursue development of a computer ten times faster than any existing at that time, resulting in a series of computer speed records. In 1998, Intel gave Sandia a no-fee license for its Pentium processor design, allowing the Labs to develop radiation-hardened microprocessors for space and defense purposes.
•1997 NASA's Pathfinder space probe arrived on Mars, its landing cushioned by airbags designed by a Sandia/Jet Propulsion Laboratory team.
•1998 The Z machine briefly achieved an output of 290 trillion watts — about 80 times the entire world's output of electricity.
•1999 Sandia is currently involved in a profusion of projects ranging from training bees to find landmines to developing ever-smaller locking and sensing devices. Many technical breakthroughs are being achieved through collaboration with other organizations.
2000

•2000 Sandia expanded its work in microelectromechanical (MEMS) technology research, pushing ever-smaller chip features to the atomic scale.
•2001 Sandia-developed decontamination foam used to neutralize anthrax in buildings on Capitol Hill.
•2002 The Rapid Syndrome Validation Project (RSVP), a joint Sandia and New Mexico Department of Health system to quickly detect disease outbreaks, was deployed in southern New Mexico.
•2003 Researchers in the Thermal Protection Materials Program created ultra-high-temperature ceramics (UHTCs) in Sandia's Advanced Materials Laboratory. The new lightweight material can withstand temperatures up to 2000ºC and is of potential use on hypersonic vehicles, such as the space shuttle.
•2004 Introduced the Sandia Gauntlets shoulder—length Kevlar gauntlets with carbon—composite forearm and upper arm protective inserts-as a direct response to U.S. military needs in Iraq. Also in 2004, the Distributed Information Systems Laboratory (DISL) was dedicated at Sandia/California; the facility will provide a test-bed for research, development, and prototyping of new advanced technologies before they're deployed throughout the nuclear weapons complex.

Source: www.sandia.gov...



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Notice above that the Tonopah Test Range was begun by the Sandia Labs!



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Sandia Labs is also quoted by UFO researcher Bill Lyne as tossing
out, whether on orders or by pilfering, certain parts that further
his suspension of their UFO ship involvement.
High voltage parts of course and one item the was not to be
tossed and had to let go without admitting a breach which they
solved by capturing the culprits on the next pilfer.
ED: One high voltage part had GE marking.

[edit on 6/20/2010 by TeslaandLyne]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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Correct!

When people think of conspiracies, they typically think in ways different from how the Government actually works. This post by TeslaandLyne is a great example of how one program feeds another. Appreciating the links is one of the keys to understanding how the Government manufactures and disguises its purposes! Again, fine job, sir!



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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Los Alamos has some secrets and scientific activity as well and
recall an ATS thread where I did find a map of the different
Technical Areas (TA).
Do not know if any tunnels exist.
Another Bill Lyne find involved what he considered from TA-33
which I recall is the south most area.
Large coil forms the size Tesla would use.
In fact a cone form which is a Tesla signature coil.
What are they doing in salvage from Los Alamos perhaps 64 plus
years later. Bill mentioned the find in one of his books an found
the forms his didn't take were then bought back by Los Alamos.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Very good points, my friend!

Sandia is associated with numerous types of "super-technology." While many point to other functions capable of developing the truly advanced types of capabilities, Sandia is where a lot of amazing things are occurring.

However, if you see the functions listed on the Sandia National Labs website, you will find a listing of functions that I would suggest everyone pay particular attention to. While I cannot say which one specifically, it is related to the functions at Dulce. As such, it is related to that type of operation, but not anything related to UFO activities.

This was the original purpose of this thread, after all.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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the FAA sectional for the Dulce area: Denver sectional.

skyvector.com...,-106.90301330264826&chart=18&zoom=4

Dulce is the tiny yellow blob dead center. no restricted airspace in sight.

pardon my bluntness, but people in the rest of NM consider everything north and west of Santa Fe to be western Arkansas. The Appalachians with a Spanish accent. everyone is their own uncle. If anyone is running a secret underground base, it isn't the locals.



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