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The Dulce facilities - really

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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
The point of my post was to state that there are no UFO-related functions at that facility. There are legitimate, but secret operations, that MUST remain classified.

As was guessed earlier, I have been out of the military for over 10 years, but will NEVER be able to discuss a great many topics related to my military service. It is sad, but the prohibitions mean that at times I cannot add my experiences to some of the particular topics on this site.

All things considered, though, I tend to think more concretely about most of the topics than many of the members here. However, there seems to be a great tendency of a majority of the posters to disbelieve the real information I have provided based on actual space operations and military operations. Oddly, it seems to be most resisted by people who obviously have not been associated with either the military or the space program, yet still have extraordinarily firm opinions on topics they clearly do not comprehend. Without a doubt, this statement will cause a tremendous backlash against me by many members, but it remains true. I know dozens of astronauts, for instance, yet the knowledge I learned from them is of little value here. I performed classifed and covert missions on four continents, yet that experience is not much valued.

My point in joining ATS was to give real-world experience to say when items are innaccurate, or are really right-on. There are a great many actual UFO incidents, supernatural events, and true-to-life events that cannot be explained by our level of scientific experiences.

I have learned from many people on this site, and there is a lot of interesting topics discussed. That is why I am here.


I can pretty much buy into that. I know of one family member that for the most part kept his secrets that he was trusted with until his death.

I can also understand that probably some scientific "stuff" is going on there and that there is a need for secrecy for that.

But I can only go off of stories that have been told over the decades and can actually have no knowledge of anything occurring there other than there is a lot of mistique about the entire endeavor. MUCH innuendo and alot of mythology from the standpoint of speculation.

alright! good answer!




posted on May, 31 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Thank you.

It isn't that I'm the smartest person on Earth, or anything like that. What I have had was a truly amazing career, dealing with such a broad range of topics and operations that even some of my friends who were astronauts told me that with all I had done, I was one of the most interesting people they had ever met.

There is no way I can take credit for it really, because there is no conceivable way I could have planned my career to involve all of the differents things I did.

I am limited, at this time, what all I can tell about what I've done, but many aspects will be able to be discussed, hopefully by next year.

I am extremely proud of most everything I've done for NASA and the military, but there are aspects that I strongly objected to. It is for that reason I joined ATS, and will help people try to piece many of these mysteries together.

The definition of a chemical catalyst is a factor that helps to facilitate the effectiveness of the chemical reaction with which it is involved. I hope to do this for many of the issues on ATS. In some areas of ATS, though, I will be worthless, because those are not the things I know anything about. Sorry, but no one knows everything!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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There is a decent thread where this base was discussed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Anyone who believes that all there is out there is an electric plant and dismiss and the mine debris and other evidence must realize that no matter WHO you are or what your military background is, there are compartmentazlized operations going on and NO ONE that does not have a need to know gets the truth.

I hear so many retired and ' former' this and that so sure that THEY know the real deal...but we all know that high security levels, way above secret, mean that very few people ever see the big picture, and they do not hint and guess on forums.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by richierich
Anyone who believes that all there is out there is an electric plant and dismiss and the mine debris and other evidence must realize that no matter WHO you are or what your military background is, there are compartmentazlized operations going on and NO ONE that does not have a need to know gets the truth.



I know why there is mine debris at the SJ Station. There's a mine there! A coal mine. It's a coal-fired plant with an on site coal mine.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
After all, Teflon was once one of the most classified substances on the face of the Earth, and now you can buy skillets with Teflon at Walmart!



Teflon has never been classified. Shortly after it was discovered it was patented. It's been patented since 1941 and trade marked since 1945.

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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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I suggest you read the following, sir.

PTFE was initially expensive to produce, and its value was not clear to Plunkett or the other scientists at Du Pont. But it came into use in World War II, during the development of the atomic bomb. Making the bomb required scientists to handle large amounts of the caustic and toxic substance uranium hexafluoride. Du Pont provided PTFE-coated gaskets and liners that resisted the extreme corrosive action of uranium hexafluoride. Du Pont also used PTFE during the war for making nose cones of certain other bombs. Du Pont registered the trademark name Teflon for its patented substance in 1944

Read more: How teflon is made - material, manufacture, making, history, used, processing, parts, steps, product, machine, History, Raw Materials, The Manufacturing Process of teflon, Quality Control www.madehow.com...


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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000

PTFE was initially expensive to produce, and its value was not clear to Plunkett or the other scientists at Du Pont. But it came into use in World War II, during the development of the atomic bomb. Making the bomb required scientists to handle large amounts of the caustic and toxic substance uranium hexafluoride. Du Pont provided PTFE-coated gaskets and liners that resisted the extreme corrosive action of uranium hexafluoride. Du Pont also used PTFE during the war for making nose cones of certain other bombs. Du Pont registered the trademark name Teflon for its patented substance in 1944

Read more: How teflon is made - material, manufacture, making, history, used, processing, parts, steps, product, machine, History, Raw Materials, The Manufacturing Process of teflon, Quality Control www.madehow.com...


Yeah so? What's your point? Like I said, teflon has never been classified, despite your claim that it was. Care to provide a link to support that claim?

Your source is off one year on the trade mark date. It was trade marked in 1945. It is also wrong about the entity that trade marked it. It was trade marked by Kinetic Chemicals. Dupont acquired Kinetic Chemicals in 1950.

PTFE was accidentally invented by Roy Plunkett of Kinetic Chemicals in New Jersey in 1938. While Plunkett was attempting to make a new CFC refrigerant, the perfluorethylene polymerized in its pressurized storage container, with the iron from the inside of the container acting as a catalyst. Kinetic Chemicals patented it in 1941[1] and registered the Teflon trademark in 1945.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www2.dupont.com...
www2.dupont.com...

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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Between 1941 and 1945, why was it only used in military applications?



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
Between 1941 and 1945, why was it only used in military applications?


Because teflon can resist corrosion by fluorine or its compounds, it was rushed into use to coat valves and seals in the Manhattan Project. Originally teflon was so expensive to produce, that other uses for it were not practical. But, the teflon patent was available from the US patent office to anyone who asked to see it. That's how the patent process works. It's never been a classified secret. EVER.


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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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Of course. As we all know, there was NOTHING that was vital to the MANHATTAN PROJECT that was classified, right?

Perhaps some Metamucil could help your problem. It is not classified either.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
Of course. As we all know, there was NOTHING that was vital to the MANHATTAN PROJECT that was classified, right?

Perhaps some Metamucil could help your problem. It is not classified either.


You have no right to get snarky just because I embarrased you. Instead take a lesson from this. Don't post crap because someone may call you on it.

Forget I asked for a link to the claim that teflon was classified. I'm not going to get it, anyway. It doesn't exist. Proof exists for the claim that teflon has been patented since 1941, but not for the claim it was classified.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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I had an uncle that was a guard in Chicago at Wrigley field. He was simply a guard. But more than once he was splashed with heavy water. My aunt said that he had to stay at work about two weeks before they would let him come. He eventually died of brain cancer. This was actually my grandmother's brother.

Teflon shoulda been classified and never put in our frying pans!!!!
hehehe



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 09:01 AM
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First, read the following:

Fissile material
After obtaining enough fissile material, what would one need to do to create a crude nuclear bomb (assuming one also had trained nuclear technicians to do so)? Like, what kind of steps would ahve to be taken? For the record, I'm not a terrorist, I'm just writing a thriller for NaNoWriMo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.7.219.86 (talk • contribs) . 01:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not just obtaining the fissile material - it's seperating it from non-fissile material. Fissile uranium and plutonium make up less than 1% of all teh uranium and plutonium in all of nature. So, you have to run it through very long pipes (3 miles or more); the lighter (fissile) material comes out first, and that's what you put in your bomb. The problem is that in order to make it run through the pipes, you have to bond it with flurine to make it Uranium hexafluoride gas. However, Uranium hexafloride is *extremely* corrosive. In early WWII test, it ate through a 3 inch think glass pipe in 10 minutes; and a 3-inch steel pipe in two hours. The next trick: coat the inside of the pipe with Telfon and your corrosion problem is solved (This is why Teflon was a major war secret).

en.wikipedia.org...:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2006_October_23

Secondly, I was told this story by a retired nuclear physiciist who designed nuclear warheads, and had worked with some of the original members of the MANHATTAN PROJECT. He was highly reliable, and told me this story, because he had been told the story by the original scientists from MANHATTAN PROJECT. Surprisingly enough, the Government does not allow me to post classified documents on the internet.

Since you appear to live from the internet, get a life, do some actual work on classified missions, THEN lecture me about a simple statement on TEFLON, that i know to be true by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!

This is an important topic, and you are concerned about a meaningless statement. I don't understand your motivation, but this is the limit of my time I will spend discussing this assinine argument!



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
First, read the following:

Fissile material
After obtaining enough fissile material, what would one need to do to create a crude nuclear bomb (assuming one also had trained nuclear technicians to do so)? Like, what kind of steps would ahve to be taken? For the record, I'm not a terrorist, I'm just writing a thriller for NaNoWriMo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.7.219.86 (talk • contribs) . 01:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not just obtaining the fissile material - it's seperating it from non-fissile material. Fissile uranium and plutonium make up less than 1% of all teh uranium and plutonium in all of nature. So, you have to run it through very long pipes (3 miles or more); the lighter (fissile) material comes out first, and that's what you put in your bomb. The problem is that in order to make it run through the pipes, you have to bond it with flurine to make it Uranium hexafluoride gas. However, Uranium hexafloride is *extremely* corrosive. In early WWII test, it ate through a 3 inch think glass pipe in 10 minutes; and a 3-inch steel pipe in two hours. The next trick: coat the inside of the pipe with Telfon and your corrosion problem is solved (This is why Teflon was a major war secret).

en.wikipedia.org...:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2006_October_23

Secondly, I was told this story by a retired nuclear physiciist who designed nuclear warheads, and had worked with some of the original members of the MANHATTAN PROJECT. He was highly reliable, and told me this story, because he had been told the story by the original scientists from MANHATTAN PROJECT. Surprisingly enough, the Government does not allow me to post classified documents on the internet.

Since you appear to live from the internet, get a life, do some actual work on classified missions, THEN lecture me about a simple statement on TEFLON, that i know to be true by PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!

This is an important topic, and you are concerned about a meaningless statement. I don't understand your motivation, but this is the limit of my time I will spend discussing this assinine argument!


So you stewed about this for two days and then suddenly remembered that a retired nuclear physicist told you teflon was a classified material in WWII ? No thanks. I'm gonna have to go with the estabished FACT that every other source in the world recognizes, that being that Teflon was publicly patented in 1941. You understand how this works, right? On one hand I have hundreds of historical references to teflon being publicly patented (including the US Patent Office) and on the other a butt-hurt, anonymous poster who claims to have a retired nuclear physicist friend who told him that Teflon was a classified secret.

Image of the original patent from 1941:

v3.espacenet.com...

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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 07:50 PM
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Dear RKWWWW, and to the others that have concerns about statements and information I have thus far posted to a number of ATS threads,

I understand your reluctance, and the reluctance of others to blindly accepts statements with no confirming evidence to back them up. Hopefully, in the not-too-distant future, I will return to this thread and provide corroborating evidence. On the internet, anyone can say anthing, whether it is true or not.

Sincerely,

Truth1000 (for the time being)



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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If anyone has interest, see my profile page for more information about this decision. Otherwise, don't worry about it.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
Dear RKWWWW, and to the others that have concerns about statements and information I have thus far posted to a number of ATS threads,

I understand your reluctance, and the reluctance of others to blindly accepts statements with no confirming evidence to back them up. Hopefully, in the not-too-distant future, I will return to this thread and provide corroborating evidence. On the internet, anyone can say anthing, whether it is true or not.

Sincerely,

Truth1000 (for the time being)



I'm having a bad week. Sorry to be dumping on you.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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Don't worry - mine has apparently been similar to yours!



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Now that I am back, I want to return to my original post for this thread. I actually dealt with products created at the facilities, and had communications with personnel at the site. While there can be co-located operations at the same classified site (we had our fair share at the Cape), it would be highly inconsistant for any space alien functions to be present with the elements I know to be functioning there. To understand the Dulce facilities and functions, go back to the Sandia National Labs operations, study their history, and then try to imagine why a super-secret nearby facility would be required.

There are, however, a number of other classified sites that are generally unknown, even within the higher levels of the military. The most likely locations for such activities are at locations where similar hidden functions are also present.



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