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Originally posted by dbates
The real question of course is, are homosexual males more likely to to be HIV positive than other segments of society?
Originally posted by mikelee
Stop being being so ignorant and supportive of those who are deviants and get your mind straight people!
Originally posted by mikelee
When was the last time you saw two male deer getting it on?
Or how baout two male otters?
Perhaps two male bears? Get the point people!? In nature it ain't right!
Its only right in the minds of those who are wrong.
Originally posted by dbates
The real question of course is, are homosexual males more likely to to be HIV positive than other segments of society?
Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by LadySkadi
Nature, thats who. And if any of you really have to inquire about that, then I feel more than disappointed be it coming from the ATS society.
When was the last time you saw two male deer getting it on?
Or how baout two male otters?
Perhaps two male bears? Get the point people!? In nature it ain't right!
Its only right in the minds of those who are wrong.
The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3–5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females. Sex is performed in non-reproductive ways, using snout, flippers and general rubbing, without regards to gender. They will sometimes perform homosexual penetration of the blowhole, a hole homologous with the nostril of other mammals, making this the only known example of nasal sex in the animal kingdom. The males will sometimes also perform sex with tucuxi males, a small porpoise.
Courtship, mounting, and full anal penetration between bulls has been noted to occur among American Bison. The Mandan nation Okipa festival concludes with a ceremonial enactment of this behavior, to "ensure the return of the buffalo in the coming season." Also, mounting of one female by another is common among cattle.
The Bonobo, which has a matriarchal society, unusual amongst apes, is a fully bisexual species—both males and females engage in heterosexual and homosexual behavior, being noted for female-female homosexuality in particular. About 60% of all sexual activity in this species is between two or more females. While the homosexual bonding system in Bonobos represent the highest frequency of homosexuality known in any species, homosexuality has been reported for all great apes (a group which includes humans), as well as a number of other primate species.
Bottlenose dolphin males have been observed working in pairs or larger groups to follow and/or restrict the movement of a female for weeks at a time, waiting for her to become sexually receptive. The same pairs/groups have also been observed engaging in ardent sexual play with each other.
African and Asiatic males will engage in same-sex bonding and mounting. Such encounters are often associated with affectionate interactions, such as kissing, trunk intertwining, and placing trunks in each other's mouths. Male elephants, who often live apart from the general flock, often form "companionships", consisting of an older individual and one or sometimes two younger, attendant males with sexual behavior being an important part of the social dynamic.
Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two male giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax.
Originally posted by dbloch7986
This is going to lead to problems with people who have deeply set reservations about homosexuality. They're going to have to be offered the option of refusing blood from a homosexual. In otherwords the blood will have to be labeled "gay blood". There are a lot of people out there that are not going to be pleased if the ban is overturned and will demand such labeling.
Yes heterosexual couples engage in such activities too, though not as frequently.
You raise some good points, very important ones. I guess the only answer would be is that anyone who has had unprotected sex/shared a needle, would have to wait until the "incubation" period is over, and supply a test certificate. But then you've got to take into consideration the people who don't tell the truth, for what ever reason.
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
All blood collected is screened anyway.
The issue is that it takes up to 6 months before standard tests will show that a person is infected with HIV.
This is a problem because donated blood isn't kept for that long. Most donated red blood cells are used within 42 days. So it's pretty obvious why someone suspected of being at risk for HIV would be banned from donating. A person who was infected with the last 3-6 months may test negative for HIV and their blood donations could infect others.
The real question of course is, are homosexual males more likely to to be HIV positive than other segments of society?
Originally posted by DaMod
You have to understand when this rule was made HIV was the plague of the gay community. This is fact, no matter how you view the gay lifestyle.
Nowadays I think it should be lifted as the technology and awareness has caught up.
Then it was necessary, now not so much.
Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
However, we must call a spade a spade. While I might not be homophobic, the HIV virus is.
Not allowing gay people, IV drug uses, people from southern Africa, and others who are in high risk groups to donate blood makes the blood supply safer.
Black and Hispanic communities have been disproportionately affected by HIV and AIDS in America. Despite their smaller share of the general population, more black people have been diagnosed with AIDS than white people, and they are far more likely to be diagnosed with HIV and AIDS.
During 2007, 50% of all new HIV diagnoses and 42% of new AIDS diagnoses were in black people yet they comprise around just 13% of the population
For females living with AIDS heterosexual contact accounts for the majority of all infections.
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
All blood collected is screened anyway.
The issue is that it takes up to 6 months before standard tests will show that a person is infected with HIV.
Ninety seven percent will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV.
www.hivtest.org...
This is a problem because donated blood isn't kept for that long. Most donated red blood cells are used within 42 days. So it's pretty obvious why someone suspected of being at risk for HIV would be banned from donating. A person who was infected with the last 3-6 months may test negative for HIV and their blood donations could infect others.
The real question of course is, are homosexual males more likely to to be HIV positive than other segments of society?
Originally posted by Nutter
Also, for those who still think like they did in the '80's, there is a new test called a PCR test....not antibody. PCR actually detects the virus and not the antibodies.
It is correct within 2 to 3 weeks after donation. Which is well within the 42 days before use.
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Nutter
Also, for those who still think like they did in the '80's, there is a new test called a PCR test....not antibody. PCR actually detects the virus and not the antibodies.
It is correct within 2 to 3 weeks after donation. Which is well within the 42 days before use.
Could you provide a link for that please?
In the RT-PCR test, viral RNA is extracted from the patient's plasma and is treated with reverse transcriptase (RT) to convert the viral RNA into cDNA. The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) process is then applied, using two primers unique to the virus's genome. After PCR amplification is complete, the resulting DNA products are hybridized to specific oligonucleotides bound to the vessel wall, and are then made visible with a probe bound to an enzyme. The amount of virus in the sample can be quantified with sufficient accuracy to detect three-fold changes.
You don’t have to wait for 3 months to take a HIV Test. The PCR test can be taken as early as 10 days after exposure to HIV.
The PCR test is very useful to find a very recent infection, determine if an HIV infection is present when antibody test results were uncertain, and screen blood or organs for HIV before donation.