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Originally posted by wmd_2008
No actually it was due to a lack of understanding about the world around them that caused the creation of gods.
Take for instance thunder in Northern Europe the Norse people had Thor the god of thunder they had NO idea what caused thunder so a thunder god was made up.
In ancient china people did not understand how a solar eclispe happened SO the sky dragon was eating the sun.
Now do you think thunder is caused by Thor or the sky dragon eats the sun.
Thats how gods come about fear and a lack of understanding of the world surrounding them so to solve the problem gods were created by MAN
Originally posted by faceoff85
reply to post by fizzy1
Oh and btw i thought the whole concept of omniscience is that he doesnt choose to turn it off and on its just something he is.
I had to laugh at this one poor choice of words or a multitude on thoughts maybe? sorry no pun intended.. but an omnipotent god surely has the ability to choose to do something like that...
for the rest of your comment, I'll keep it short (we can continue tomorow) you forget an important player... satan the devil is the one ochestrating things.. the only thing god is doing/ gonna do is put a stop to it at aa certian point.
good night...
Originally posted by faceoff85
Originally posted by orangutang
have you ever lived with a jealous person? its most uncomfortable. love is totally absent. its an ego gone horribly wrong. its a sickness. yet you conceive of a creator with this attribute?
why do you want to go and live eternally with a mega-ego like that?
the concept is only possible because you are caught in a dualistic idea nurtured with your ego's fear of death.
hehehe.. I knew there had to be atleast one person around here to point that out... so you would be okay with your wife sleeping over at my place sometimes? dont think so.. darn you must be a really horible person to live with...
Originally posted by sarra1833
I was born and raised Christian Methodist and I'm 37. I have had my times of doubt and more questions that no one can answer except to say 'have faith'. Well, my only question of it all is simple:
A man does good to others, doesn't lie, cheat, steal, swear, etc, believes in God, takes Jesus as his Savior and goes to Heaven.
A man is evil to others, lies, cheats, steals, murders, rapes, tortures, doesn't believe in God or etc and goes to hell. Makes sense. Okay.
A man does good to others, doesn't lie, cheat, steal, swear, etc, but since he does NOT take Jesus as his Savior or believe in God he then goes to hell?
>_>
excuse me but..... what the #???? That is THE one reason why I tend to wonder at all of this. "you're good and believe in me, go have fun. you're evil and don't believe in me, burn in hell. you're good but don't believe in me, go burn in hell."
Really nice. Reallllly nice. So even if you're the best person in the world, if you don't believe in God and Jesus, you're doomed? I can NOT believe that and will NOT believe that. It basically means God is a dick who wants only those who believe in him to have a great after life. Too bad to those do gooders who happen to be atheist or any other religion or non religion.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
As I tell atheists after a good, long argument:
I understand that your atheism is probably stronger now than ever; but, just remember, when The End arrives, when you're staring The Truth in the eye, you're still welcome to call on the name of The Lord, and you will be saved right along with the most devout Christian.
Says so in the Bible.
— Doc Velocity
Originally posted by fizzy1
Ok good point on the omnipotent comment. I guess what i was saying is that there doesnt seem to be a basis for god choosing to know or not know. Its just accepted that all things are known to him. Not all things are known to him if he wants to look them up and know them. He sees everything and knows all without having to make a effort to.
I believe in devils and satans, accusers and adversaries if you will as the words are translated but not the words being used as a proper name for a being.
Thats people reading too much of paradise lost and the divine comedy. Both of which are not biblical. Unless of course your reading books from the pseudepigrapha or apocryphal books like enoch and so on.
I have mentioned before that the actual story of the fall of satan from heaven with an army of rebel angels doesnt occur in the canonical bible. If it does please hit me up with book/chapter and verses.
Depending on if your catholic or protestant will depend on which books ar ein your bible so this again is another example of how much christianity differs in its acceptance of what is ok and not ok
The funny thing here is that not all christian churches can be 100% in agreement with what they believe when it comes to such things as angels and archangels and the interpretation of the nephalim and the flood etc etc. I could go on and on. The point being is that even during the time of the council of nicea they disagreed on the divinity of christ being the son of god. The arians arguing a very valid point that jesus was a creation of god and not always with god during the time of the creation. Jesus being the firstborn of all creation and jesus own statement of god being greater than he is.
The other end of the argument is that jesus is considered the word of god and in the begining there was the word and the word was with god. That jesus is of the same substance god is and therefore is one and the same. The saying "I and the father are one" And the father is in me and i in the father is supposed to be jesus's definition of his divinity.
I will never take what i am told or what i read on blind faith without further understanding of what it is that i am being told or reading. To do this is not only dangerous but stupid. Its also childish to not question and want to understand. Anytime a christian tells me i just have to accept it on faith i wonder why they think god would expect you to be a mindless moron and believe everything your told by anyone claiming to be a messenger of god or speaking gods word. Well actually he doesnt and anyone claiming this is not christian or hasnt spent anytime reading their bible.
Originally posted by impaired
Originally posted by sarra1833
I was born and raised Christian Methodist and I'm 37. I have had my times of doubt and more questions that no one can answer except to say 'have faith'. Well, my only question of it all is simple:
A man does good to others, doesn't lie, cheat, steal, swear, etc, believes in God, takes Jesus as his Savior and goes to Heaven.
A man is evil to others, lies, cheats, steals, murders, rapes, tortures, doesn't believe in God or etc and goes to hell. Makes sense. Okay.
A man does good to others, doesn't lie, cheat, steal, swear, etc, but since he does NOT take Jesus as his Savior or believe in God he then goes to hell?
>_>
excuse me but..... what the #???? That is THE one reason why I tend to wonder at all of this. "you're good and believe in me, go have fun. you're evil and don't believe in me, burn in hell. you're good but don't believe in me, go burn in hell."
Really nice. Reallllly nice. So even if you're the best person in the world, if you don't believe in God and Jesus, you're doomed? I can NOT believe that and will NOT believe that. It basically means God is a dick who wants only those who believe in him to have a great after life. Too bad to those do gooders who happen to be atheist or any other religion or non religion.
I bring up the same exact point, but it is always ignored. I have never gotten an answer except the typical dogma.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
But, the last thing a Christian fears is Death. There is no such thing as Death to a Christian. If you have no fear of Death, then you fear nothing else the world can dish out.
— doc Velocity
Originally posted by nunya13
Prediction: By tomorrow this thread will still be going in the direction of endless babbling, arguing and ridicule since people never concede their beliefs to the other side.
We'll see if it comes true by then...I'll be keeping an eye out.
Originally posted by awakentired
Bear in mind the time frame that this letter was written ...like 20AD and each of Jesus's deciples were men of the faith of Jerusulem...Jews. They followed the faith and sabbath. If you don't follow the sabbath then you are part of the lawless and since population increases so does the lawlessness.
[edit on 26-5-2010 by awakentired]
Originally posted by impaired
I bring up the same exact point, but it is always ignored. I have never gotten an answer except the typical dogma.