Whisteblower John Urwin talks about " The Machine"

John Urwin wrote the following in an email to me, just a few days ago:

projectcamelotproductions.com...


"I am a 71yr old reitired ex- UK special forces operative (about which I have written a book namely 'The Sixteen'). I wrote my book because I was trying to hopefully make contact with others who had also been a part of this ultra covert and highly skilled unit - the reasons for its being so highly covert was that both British Intelligence and the Government of the day (we're talking late '50's here) had been infiltrated to the highest level by what is known by some today as 'The New World Order'.

There is a lot of detail I could go into about The Sixteen and what their objectives were. How they came to be, why, and what they were hoping to achieve and the difficulties we encountered, things which I didn't expect. you could say 'it was out of this world'. "

Based in the Middle East during the highly volatile period after the Suez crisis in the late 1950's he and a team of 15 operatives blended into the ranks of the British military by day and were sent on covert operations at night and when necessary. In this audio interview you will hear John talk about his unconventional training by what can only be termed an off-world group. He and the others received, in a matter of 4 hours, special skills that even today are not able to be duplicated or deciphered by our best military minds.

Pictured in the video is the gift given to him by the Egyptian Special Forces Unit 777 an award that bears the inscription" to: John Urwin, The best anti/counter terrorism specialist in the world."

He is currently being contacted by military organizations seeking access to his skills. But beware: he is not interested in supplying these secrets to anyone working with the NWO.

He is looking for a new publisher for his book. Unfortnately he has received nothing from the sale of this relatively obscure book so far... But that is about to change, no doubt once you hear what he has to say.

Kerry Lynn Cassidy

May 2010

John Urwin's website:

UCSDefence.com

The interview seems to be very slow at times. I had great difficulty understanding what this man was saying. Although, there were some very interesting moments.
It's too bad that the audio was of poor quality.
IMHO.

...thx, pocky - was interesting...

...when he was explaining what his special skills could accomplish - it kinda sounds like a physical extension of remote viewing coupled with the ability to see into the future (precognizance?) and time travel...

...that skill could/would make physical warfare totally unnecessary and (if it exists) thats probably why it would never be used to replace modern warfare (no blood lust satisfaction and loss of a major money maker / employer)...

Pipped before the post.

I did a search on ATS and only found this thread.

I listened to the interview the other night.

Shame about the audio quality and the strong accent of John making it hard to hear what he is saying. Comparing John to Aaron McCollum, you really can see the difference between straight BS and the truth. John had one small part in the the big UFO genre where as Aaron had been to Mars, spoke with Dolphins, met ET's and been through stargates. I cant wait to read Johns book as soon s it comes from Amazon. John also stated that his websites aim is to find the other 15 members which is a great idea, i really hope he gets in touch with another whistle blower.

I also found this doing a quick search on google. You may find it intresting reading through the post of other people going to his training school.

www.militaryforums.co.uk...

S & F

Gareth

[edit on 4-7-2010 by gareth01422]

A transcript of the interview can be found here
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Oh thank you for the transcript. Makes life much easier.

It sounds like the women interviewing him has never done and interview before. It just makes me cringe every time she talks.

Like this part:

JU: Special Air Services. But if you are, take, you see me website, have you?
KC: Your website?
JU: Yup. It’s uscdefense.com.
KC: Oh right. Okay. I saw it very briefly, but I didn’t actually. I saw that you teach..

There something about all this that makes me thinks its all bollocks though.

en.wikipedia.org...

Royce Gracie, if anyone follows UFC they will know who he is, if you dont, well basicaly this man is a killing machine, infact ANYONE who holds a black belt in Brazalian Jujitsu is a killing machine, its that simple.

Now, MMA has evolved a lot over the years, at first you would Master Tiger vs Sensai Lightning, both master of the dreaded 12 ANIMAL KUNG FU then the two of them would attempt to fight a 6 and a half foot Norwegian Kickboxer and get #ing annihilated.

Since then it has gotten to the point were only the most efficient and effective fighting styles are emloyed, or you will loose. Now if some magical system of hand to hand combat that made you invincible that nothing could defend against actualy existed, men such as Royce Gracie would know about it and be using it. But they dont, because it doesnt.

On a more personal note, if you ever get into a situation where you know someone has a blue belt or above in Brazalian Jujitsu, or even Judo and they want to cause you harm WALK AWAY as things will not go well for you.

Jujitsu and Judo are useless is a real world situation.

reply to post by Quadraphobe


Im sorry but that statement is ridiculous in the extreme, JiuJitsu, perhaps, it is not an ideal technique for street fighting no, it is pretty outdated and has not really evolved very much.

HOWEVER

if you walkd up to someone who had been training in JiuJitsu for 30 years and pick a fight with him, he will basicaly # you up.

Brazilian JiuJitsu however is basicaly the best form of martial art on the planet, coupled with any form of free style wrestling, even sambo and kick boxing.....i just cant even begin to explain what this means to someone who is new to the subject.

And judo? is useless??, what, ok there may be more affective martial arts for inflicting harm, however YOU DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS JUDO.

Its that simple, if are not traind in any modern fighting skill, do no under any circumstances pick a fight with someone who has been learning Judo 3 times a week for the last ten years, they will kill, it wouldnt even be funny how badly you would get your face smashd in.

Even go onto youtube and look for Mirko Cro Cop, eastern european kick boxer, he can basicaly kick as fast as people can punch, and ends fights by breaking peoples ribs mid fight.

Now ok, your definitions of a real world situation may be pretty loose, like how does being a hand to hand destruction machine help you when you are in the hood YO and some brothers are drive bying you with a hundred UZI's???. It wont, your right. However these modern fighting skills have hundreds of real world applications, the first being how to defend yourself.

Originally posted by Quadraphobe
Jujitsu and Judo are useless is a real world situation.

That depends on what you call a real world situation. As a brazilian who has judo fighters and jiujitsu fighters as friends and family members, and who has seen jiu jistu street gangs in Rio de Janeiro causing havoc, I know you what you are saying is BS. Get your facts straight, dude. And I am not here blindly defending jiu jitsu, since I prefer muay thai. But jiu jitsu can be deadly.

Unless you mean that jiu jitsu is not the best martial arts to defend yourself when you are surrounded by multiple purple ninjas? THen I would agree with you.

just replying to bookmark for later

I'll edit my opinion in when I have one...

Originally posted by Johnze
There something about all this that makes me thinks its all bollocks though.

en.wikipedia.org...

Royce Gracie, if anyone follows UFC they will know who he is, if you dont, well basicaly this man is a killing machine, infact ANYONE who holds a black belt in Brazalian Jujitsu is a killing machine, its that simple.

Now, MMA has evolved a lot over the years, at first you would Master Tiger vs Sensai Lightning, both master of the dreaded 12 ANIMAL KUNG FU then the two of them would attempt to fight a 6 and a half foot Norwegian Kickboxer and get #ing annihilated.

Since then it has gotten to the point were only the most efficient and effective fighting styles are emloyed, or you will loose. Now if some magical system of hand to hand combat that made you invincible that nothing could defend against actualy existed, men such as Royce Gracie would know about it and be using it. But they dont, because it doesnt.

On a more personal note, if you ever get into a situation where you know someone has a blue belt or above in Brazalian Jujitsu, or even Judo and they want to cause you harm WALK AWAY as things will not go well for you.

As for the OP, I'm sorry, but the guy begins his speaching by selling his book. And a link to PROJECT CAMELOT doesn't help either...

As for the BJJ....there are some exagerations here. My cousin is a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu and I can still kick his butt. It's NOT like that. It's all about who is your sensei. When you get a black belt, other fighters will ask you who you got your black belt from. There is diffence in quality, depending on who you learn the martial art from.

As for Royce Gracie, come on man... Yeah, he did great at the beginning of UFC, but today he wouldn't last long on the octagon. Demian Maia, another brazilian fighter, has been a Jiu Jitsu World Champion FIVE TIMES and he has taken a butt-kicking from Nate Marquardt at UFC 102, becuase his stand up fighting sux.

He improved it a little bit and showed it at his fight against Anderson Silva, who is a muay thai specialist, but he still lacks experience in the stand up game. And Demian Maia would destroy Royce Gracie in jiu jitsu.

reply to post by Johnze


What makes you think that there isn't a form of martial arts that makes current martial arts inferior and useless? Martial arts is produced from philosophy more than anything. You claim that Brazilian Juijitsu is the "best form of martial arts"? From what? Watching MMA? Reading a few articles on it? Have you gone out and learned every single martial arts out there and then compiled their philosophy and fighting style into such a statement?

And this Royce guy, you think that because he is an expert in one or two forms of martial arts, he should already know a technique that the gentleman in this interview claims to exist? My fencing instructor is very skilled at what he does, should this mean he also knows Batto Jutsu because he can get his rapier to my face faster than I can see? No, because he doesn't know the philosophy behind it.

As for Judo and Juijitsu being useless in every day situations, I disagree. For combat? Maybe. But what you fail to understand about all forms of martial arts is that it teaches character and philosophy on how one should act towards others and one's self. What do most martial arts teach? Restraint, to do what most animals do, run away if the outcome does not fill your belly.
Shaolin Kung Fu for example teaches you to honor yourself and observe the balance of all things under heaven first. This very concept is applied to one of their Kata, the Four Doors Open Palm. I can go on about the different ideals and lessons of life each martial arts teaches, but time to go back on topic!

I really like this interview, it gets me excited to think about a new form of martial arts that works on a different concept that HUMANS have developed. My interest especially perked when I heard the part about it being "ingrained" into him and he can never forget how to access it.

reply to post by henriquefd


Meh, Royce was just an example man on account of the Gracie familys contribution to the sport over the last centuary. Roger Gracie then, he is an animal.

And thats kinda cool your cousin has a blue belt mate, but i dont mean to sound like a dick but if you can kick his ass, what can i say?, he's # and probably should not have gotten his belt. My instructor got his in Brazil a few years ago, and he can pretty much kick my ass, think he going back there this year to get his brown.

Sorry LeTan but you need to educate yourself more on the subject.

reply to post by Johnze


Educate myself on what subject? The aspect of flaunting a skill for entertainment purposes? Or the aspect of flaunting who's ass you can kick, and who is superior or inferior due to the technique and style they know? Your posts are just erupting with ego. I wonder what your Sensei teaches you.. Reminds me of Cobra Kai.

I'll pass on such education.

reply to post by LeTan


The subject of martial arts, knowing how to defend yourself is nothing to do with ego, its to do with staying safe, if you cant understand that, maybe thats a good thing. If you can go your entire life without any sort of physical confrontation, hats off to you, thats incredibly commendable, it truly is. However its just that, sometimes its not always like that, sometimes on a rare occasion people are forced into situations where you do infact have to to defend yourself, and that being the case i think it is a good thing you know how to do so as efficiently as possible. That is why modern martial arts are evolving that actualy teach you something useful.

Now for somebody like yourself, there is nothing wrong with being enthusiastic about the philosophical teachings behind the multitude of martial arts that already exist, its certainly a lot better adhereing to something that promotes a healthy body and a healthy mind than believing in some sort of crack port religion.

But do not in anyway think, out dated ceremonial martial arts can compete with todays styles of fighting. And again thats nothing to do with ego, its just the way it is. Its like your somehow implying if i were to go to afghanistan i should take an 18th centuary musket and brightly lit neon uniform instead of equiping myself with the most recent and up to date weaponry and camoflauge to better aid my survival because that somehow promotes my over inflated ego??, what.

Perhaps this is something you may be interested in.

mcdojo-faq.tripod.com...

While I am a fan of MMA and martial arts in general I think this conversation constitutes a thread hijack. Maybe it is time to take this to U2U.

Honestly I just don't believe the guy. I have heard so many fantastic stories over the years that I am cynical. It would be great to believe. However, I'm just absolutely tired of hearing. "There is no proof, that is the proof." Sorry but the lack of something does not prove it exists.

reply to post by MikeNice81


Well back to the topic, i have actualy been emailing this chap over the last couple of days getting some info, apparently in two weeks his course will turn me into an unstopable killing machine that allows me to disarm 3 heavily equiped special forces soldiers. I also askd him about how this stands up against people trained in proper martial arts, he said it doesnt matter, they are all show and not of any use in streets fights anyway lol!

he also stressed oddly enough, his techniques are not a martial art, just waiting to hear back on how much this 2 week course costs.

Only on ATS:

You start a thread about a military whistle-blower in England talking about the NWO, and end up discussing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu...

I just love this place...



On topic:
Downloading the video now, will watch it later today.

Off topic
BJJ kicks ass.
If I had to learn fighting techniques for survival, I would seek two sources:
Jiu-Jitsu and Krav-Maga (not sure it's written correctly).

But I'm hoping I'll never need those techniques... you know what they say: "you can't fight what you can't see".




Peace

Originally posted by gareth01422
Pipped before the post.
McCollum, you really can see the difference between straight BS and the truth. John had one small part in the the big UFO genre where as Aaron had been to Mars, spoke with Dolphins, met ET's and been through stargates.



S & F

Gareth

[edit on 4-7-2010 by gareth01422]

I have never heard of Aaron McCollum before today. May I take it that you don't believe what Mr McCollum says?