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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by sandwiches
Update: Just for fun, I checked out the poster of that YouTuvbe vid up above....name is "TrutherD1" ( ..seems I've seen THAT name mentioned, recently, on another ATS thread, another equally ridiculous topic...what a "funny" coincidence!! ).
SO, as experiment, just for grins and giggles, made attempt to post comment on video. Well, surprise! (Not really)...like MOST of the YT "chemtrail" videos..."Comment Being Reviewed" pops up.
Seems the 'true believers' don't want their utter nonsense tripe being sullied by facts, and contributions from people who know better. YuP!! All they want is the 'sheep' to bleat in agreement. Boot-lickers to suckle at their feet. Fantasy world begets fantasy (and denial). Very, very sad and tragic.
Yeah, I've run into him and his kind before, too. They cannot presents facts, they cannot refute the things brought before them as an explanation, and they cannot allow anyone to sully their message as being "truth". Then they proclaim that "everyone" is learning and listening to their message. I've done several counts though, actually counting which videos are really about "chemtrails", and are not reposts or something tagged as "chemtrails" because it's all a part of their paranoid delusion, but actual real, new videos...and have found only 30% or less actually qualify. So they exagerate their numbers, the importance of their "intel", and the amount of "evidence" available. Some theory.
We should not see contrails in clear blue, warm dry skies.
So what conditions are required for indefinite persistence?
Appleman, H. S. 1953: The Formation of Exhaust Condensation Trails by Jet
Aircraft, Bulletin American Meteorological Society, 34, p 14-20.
Busen, R. and Schumann, U., 1995: Visible contrail formation from fuels with
Different sulfur content. Geophysic. Res. Letters, 22, p 1357-1360.
IPCC 1999: Aviation and the global atmosphere. A special report of IPCC
working groups I and III, Cambridge University Press, 373pp
Schmidt, E. 1941: Die Entstehung von Eisnebel aus den Auspuffgasen von
Flugmotoren. Schriften der Deutschen Akademie der Luftfahrtforschung,
Verlag R. Oldenbourg, Muenchen und Berlin, Heft 44, p 1-15.
Schrader, M.L. 1997: Calculations of aircraft contrail formation critical
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Same conditions that result in clouds. Unless someone is also going to deny the existence of clouds, too?
People focus a little too much on the 'Appleman' chart...and think that it is the ONLY method of accurately predicting contrails.
It isn't the ONLY method, and it is by no means ALL-INCLUSIVE and all encompassing.
Where is all the additional particulate coming from?
You do realize clouds form at ground level, correct?
The appleman chart is 98% accurate at predicting NO contrails.
The appleman chart.... was reviewed in 1992. It's -35C requirement is clearly sufficient for determining whether or not contrails should be forming in your area.
Well, surprise! (Not really)...like MOST of the YT "chemtrail" videos..."Comment Being Reviewed" pops up.
Altitude should be determined with triangulation, radar, in-flight, etc. You can then use that data with the appleman chart.
Please keep an open mind and continue your investigation.
Originally posted by sandwiches
How do you explain such drastic, random, impossible changes in the atmosphere seen in thousands of videos all over the net?
It would appear to be long and uninteresting.
In what way are they drastic, random or impossible? And by impossible I assume you mean inexplicable by meteorologists and atmospheric scientists? But have you actually asked such people if what these videos show is possible?
(and btw your local TV weather presenter is probably not a meteorologist)
....yet you had nerve to admonish ME to have an "open mind" and keep "investigating"?
WHY IS IT, do you think, that MOST of these YT "chemtrail" posters do NOT want any comments that are other than complimentary, and agreeable to their paranoid delusions??? ANY ideas on that? Hmmmm?
Contrails. Youcansee them forming, as is the case, BEHIND the jets that are flying by...
Contrails. (repeat after me...)...Contrails.