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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
All I hear is "religious zealot this, and neocon that, and bible thumper here"
All because someone was pointing out the blatant HYPOCRISY of every single handed down piece of crap law that restricts the majority of people just so the minority can "not be offended"?
Give me a break, have you people lost your minds? If you cant look past your own nose stuck in the air, and your own self righteous behavior, long enough to see that what this person is saying is truth, then you are more intolerant than what you are accusing this "christian" of being.
Tell me how tolerant you want people to be of your "right" to not have anything religious spoken around you, so it doesnt hurt your ears or "corrupt" your children....
Then ill watch as you take people to court, sue school districts, have people fired over saying "god" in a public domain.........THATS NOT TOLERANT! ITS THE EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE ACCUSING EVERYONE ELSE OF BEING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RELIGION!.
YOU ARE THE INTOLERANT ONES!
Look, I have friends from many many religions.....buhdists, muslims, mormans, catholics.....
Ive gone to dinner at ever single one of these peoples houses , and what do you know, every single one of them prayed to their god of choice.....
Do you think for one second I got offended because im not of that particular religion? Do you think for one second I said "Stop, dont mention Allah , i might turn muslim" or "Mentioning Joseph Smith is against my belief system I would appreciate you not talking about it infront of me"
No......I bowed my head a long with them, and i held the hands of my FRIENDS and THEIR friends and took part in a HUMAN experience.....that brought us all closer together, DESPITE our religions.......
I practiced humility, respect, and REAL tolerance.........
That makes no sense at all my friend...that is extremely intolerant...I actually think around 10% of the population is gay...you do understand that's actually a pretty large amount...and there are many other minorities out there who study or embrace ways of life you'd find perfectly acceptable, but according to your logic, that isn't normal. If you don't fit in with everyone else you're a blasphemous outsider who should be shunned...that's you logic...well I'm proud of being a unique individual with very defined beliefs and paradigms that not many people would have, I don't follow the crowd, and do something simply because everyone else is doing it or believing it...I know I'm not "normal", and I take pride in that...
Being gay means being a part of a very small portion of the population and is just not the norm.
Sex might not be perfectly safe, but it certainly isn't wrong or unnatural. Kids are going to do it one way or another, and IMO, it's better they be protected and be aware of the consequences of their actions if they choose to engage in the perfectly natural act.
Sex was never safe, and a delusional attitude developed with the advent of penicillin, and that delusion found a rude awakening with the advent of AIDS, which was first labeled GRIDS, which stood for Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
Then "he" shouldn't mind "her" getting a bit of the praise. eh?
God loves everyone, even Mother Earth.
There is a vast difference between science and religion - an extremely vast difference. Religion usually has nothing but a book as a foundation for belief. It isn't updated and modified, because that would be contradictory. The books don't usually contain anything but witness testimony which could be interpreted in a number of ways. Science on the other hand, is using experimentation and observation to build logical and rational theories which can be peer reviewed and confirmed by replication. Old and outdated theories are refined and modified when knew information comes to light. In other words, religion simply believes and claims it already has all the big answers to life, and therefore you need not keep looking, and dare not question the faith...but the beliefs are never verified or updated in any way...whilst all religions claim to be the right one...at least science can admit it was wrong, and constantly seek new information and answers to the get some real God damn answers about this reality we live in.
Fundamental Christians are no less religious than the modern day "scientist" who thinks the scientific method is similar to the Catholic's use of the rhythm method, and they just pull out whenever their theory looks as if it might be falsified.
I'd be extremely offended if my kids had to go to any of your so-called schools.
Public schools are a drain on public funds and should be scrapped altogether, that way no one has to be offended.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
~The First Amendment; The Bill of Rights, The Constitution for the United States~
A clear reading of this straightforward Amendment makes perfectly clear who has been denied the authority to Establish a religion and that is Congress. This is what is known as the Establishment Clause, and it in no way speaks to the States or local government. Each state comes with its own constitution, and if that constitution isn't expressly forbidding public facilities the right of prayer, then there is no Constitutional basis to deny any public school the right to openly and publicly pray. It is due to the dubious 14th Amendment that the courts have extended what was expressly intended to be prohibitions on a federal government to become prohibitions on a state and local level as well.
The religiosity of worshiping The SCOTUS as if they are nine Popes who act as implements of a higher power is no different than the religiosity of Christianity. The Bill of Rights are not Amendments intended to act as a prohibition on the people, they are prohibitions on a federal government, and virtually all state constitutions act in the same way, as a prohibition on government, not on the people.
Originally posted by stonergeek
The Federal government has no business here if no one's rights were violated.
Originally posted by nunya13
Since when did school football games become an acceptable event for political soap box speeches? Maybe he should spend his time trying to fight against what he sees as an atrocity rather than making everyone listen to his political ramblings.
Also, the constitution does say freedom of religion, not FROM. However, that doesn't mean that it's okay to blurt over a PA system and force everyone to hear your prayer. Just like it wouldn't be okay for someone on the opposite side of the aisle to get on a PA system and tell everyone how there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Just like they have a right to say it, others have a right not to hear it and it's nearly impossible to avoid it if your in crowded bleachers and were not forewarned that there was going to be a public prayer. Same as trying to say a prayer over the school PA when the other students do not have the option of NOT hearing it.
If there was a Muslim teacher who wanted to say his/her own prayer, don't you think the Christians would be upset about being forced to listen to it?
§ 1. Powers of people
That all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; for the advancement of those ends they have at all times, an unalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.
§ 2. Doctrine of non-resistance
That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
§ 3. Freedom of worship
That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience; that no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect, or support any place of worship, or to maintain any minister against his consent; that no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience; and that no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment or mode of worship.
§ 4. Political or religious test That no political or religious test, other than an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and of this State, shall never be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this State.
§ 2. Atheists holding office
No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State.
Originally posted by fordrew
God does not belong in school, or sports for that matter. God should not belong in anything except for church.
Originally posted by GummB
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
you opinions like religion so far are only sucessfull at making me laugh
congrats to that
I'm done arguing about the merits of religion. You clearly disagree and have no intentions of making a valid rebuttle, just an attack
Originally posted by SurefireII
This was not a prayer per say, it was a principles attempt to educate those who did not know of the supreme courts ruling. Im an agnostic, but for someone, anyone with the balls to get up and use their voice taking a stand against a court ruling that is unconstitutional is ok by me.
Originally posted by n0xyia
reply to post by SurefireII
They will not try to prove it because they cannot. They will only retaliate with something similar to, " I don't have to prove he doesn't exist, you have to prove that he does exist". To which I would reply. I don't have to prove anything. I have seen so many people on here attack the belief in Zeus that I no longer feel sorry for what is to come. I now see how it is all justified. Glory to Hypnotoad.
[edit on 26-5-2010 by n0xyia]