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So your saying that a basic education and a child's right to a basic education and law's to protect that education and right to education are all complete BS? Your telling me that not one single child in America deserves to have a very basic education in which to function in society? Why have children if you don't think they have basic human rights?
What do you propose we do instead? Take away a child's right to education, allow unqualified parents teach whatever they want and pretend that isn't doing a disservice to your child?
Right, I'm making the right decision by placing my kids in a school system where it's a requirement that those teaching my children are actually qualified to do so. Your saying you want to take away that right because you think it's a form of tyranny to have that one option out of other options.
Somehow your stupidly equating a CHOICE with a TYRANNY.
I think it's great that the state keeps people like you in check. Your telling me that the state is oh so bad and tyrannical for PROTECTING MY CHILD'S RIGHT TO EDUCATION, and YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
Which is a tyranny? Protection is rights or infringement of rights? Ah right, I forgot, you don't think children have rights.
Assumption is not knowledge, nor does a sarcastic rhetoric denote knowledge. Now I'm assuming you don't allow your kids any education because you think it's a tyranny to do so.
So, you're saying that parents aren't capable of giving their children a basic education, and instilling in them the knowledge that they have inalienable rights, and must at all times jealously guard these rights, and zealously protect them? You're saying a parents right to teach their children more than the failed public school systems would is all just BS? You're telling me that not one single child in America deserves to have more than just a basic education, and that the only way they can function in society is by attending a public school system where all too often they have to walk through metal detectors and allow minimum wage security guards to frisk them? Why have children if you think their rights are to be servants of the state?
What do you propose we do instead? Keep abrogating and derogating these child's rights to a proper education by denying parents their very basic right to raise their children how they see fit, and allow sub par teachers who use their position to threaten parents with social services, and demand the parents medicate their children with psychotropic drugs, so they can properly indoctrinate them into the New World Order of subservience to the state, where they grow up believing the only rights they have are those granted by government, and pretend that this isn't just a great disservice your doing to your children, but to many more children, and you expect me to believe this insidious tyranny isn't criminal?
Right, you are making a decision you have every right to do, and if you want to treat your children like chattel and ensure they grow up with the same incapacity to think for themselves that you have, because you placed such great faith in a public school system that is now ranked 29th among nations across the world, this is your right to do so. However, your saying you want myself and others to fork out our hard earned money to pay for this atrocity, and you want to insist that beyond demanding we pay for your twisted vision of how children should be educated, that we should also pay to empower the state even further so they can be more tyrannical, and you think that this is some how for the greater good.
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# S: (adj) oppressive, tyrannical, tyrannous (marked by unjust severity or arbitrary behavior) "the oppressive government"; "oppressive laws"; "a tyrannical parent"; "tyrannous disregard of human rights"
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Plato and Aristotle define a tyrant as, "one who rules without law, looks to his own advantage rather than that of his subjects, and uses extreme and cruel tactics -- against his own people as well as others".
You have options available to you. Public schools are there to give a basic education, not to teach everything under the sun. Not every parent is capable of teaching everything under the sun either, I am admittedly one of those parents. Nor do I have the financial means to send my kids to a private school, so personally I value the public education system as MY ALTERNATIVE to your tyranny of ripping my kids right to at least a basic education.
If you value your rights to alternatives, then use the damn alternatives that exist rather than bitching about my rights to use my available alternatives. Hypocrite.
Granting children a right to education is not a tyranny.
Sorry you don't value children that much.
It's sad that your a hypocritical bigot bitching about tyranny whilst demanding we accept your own tyranny.
I'm sorry, but your "solution" of infringing upon my kids right to a basic education is a form of tyranny.
If you wish to be a hypocritical bigot in this regard, that's your choice, but your still a hypocritical bigot at the end of the day.
If you don't want to pay property taxes, then don't own a home.
How the government uses those property taxes towards services it provides to the American citizens is fine by me, so long as those services are useful.
Public schools are useful in my situation.
Not every American is a rich upper class citizen capable of affording private school, nor is every American citizen capable of teaching every subject under the sun.
I admit to my faults and I strongly value that a system of checks and balances is in place to ensure people like me do not attempt to teach my children poorly. I value that system as it guarantees that they are learning from the best possible teachers I can give them.
Using frivolous arguments of 29th in rank is pointless and moot. Welcome to America, we're not France, we're not Germany we're not Japan. They all use public schools as well, so it's not applicable to your idiotic argument of enforcing your form of hypocritical tyranny.
A child's inalienable right to an education doesn't mean the state has a right to dictate the curriculum of that education.
Based on your logic the inalienable right to speech means the state gets to tell us what we can and can't say.
Based on your logic the inalienable right life means we get to live the lives that the state says we can.
I would suggest you read carefully the definition of tyranny you posted and take a moment to consider what you are reading. When people have rights, this means that they are their rights, not the states rights to determine how they are exercised, it is the right of each individual to determine how they exercise that right.
You don't want that, what you want is the privilege of a state sponsored day care center for your kids while you spend your life bragging about your own mediocrity.
Public schools should be giving a basic education and if they did I would have far less problems with that system, but they are not only ranked 29th of nations across the world, this public school system has created a dangerous environment for my children, and the state is so intent on mandating attendance of every child, that my children, if attending public schools, have to do so with thugs, gang banger's and drug addicts.
If you value existing alternatives so much, then why are you working so hard at suppressing these alternatives, all the while bitching about all that you don't like? Hypocrite.
Granting children, or anyone else for that matter, rights, is tyranny. Either people acknowledge that all people are born with inalienable rights, or they advocate tyranny.
Keep your tyrannical hands off of my children! Keep your fascist ideologies away from my children!
your own form of tyranny
Only a fool would think that the rent they pay isn't covering a property owners taxes.
Yep. And in your world, a public school system ranked 29th of nations across the world is useful.
Sure they are, not because they will educate your children, you've made clear that this isn't a priority with you, they're useful because they babysit your children at other peoples expense while you're off God knows where, probably baiting Christians.
Every American has the choice and opportunity to be as rich as they choose to be
Perhaps if you didn't stop just short of admitting your faults, and went the extra mile to overcoming them you would be able to give your children more, but that is unlikely as long as you keep placing value on mediocrity while attacking those who would work towards excellence.
Oh yeah, there's a real sound argument. It doesn't matter how bad our public school system is, it is American! Who cares if it doesn't measure up to the rest of the world in an increasingly growing global marketplace? It is American, and however bad it might be, it is the only public school system we got, so that makes it the best public school system we got! Wow.
Originally posted by Reflection
If someone doesn't live close enough to a the private school that you want your children to attend, then move closer to that school or home school your child. You have every right to do that. Just like if there was a particular job I wanted, I would have to move where the job is.
I'm not going to defend the public school system as being competent. In its current state, it is not good at all. However, that has nothing to do with them not being able to practice or indoctrinate religion. It is because it needs reform. They completely ignore the right side of the brain all while overworking the left side. It's like having a computer with tons of memory, but no programs to use the memory. Kids don't relate to the material and are not given a foundation of why it is important TO learn. Learning should be something we crave, not burdened by.
I think the main problem is that teachers are not trained properly and the quality teachers are not paid enough. We could start a whole new thread on this subject alone.
The public school system absolutely needs reform, but it is important that kids have the option to not only get a free high school education, but a secular one as well.
The only problem with that is, once i put my child in private school, i still carry the tax burden of public school.
Care to guess what that tax burden is? Lets just say that it puts homeschooling as an option that is out of reach.
Every American has the choice and opportunity to be as rich as they choose to be
I have been an educator in previous employment, and feel fully qualified to do so again. But who pays the bills? Who feed the kids?
No problem with them getting a secular education. But that has nothing to do with football.
If someone doesn't live close enough to a the private school that you want your children to attend, then move closer to that school or home school your child. You have every right to do that. Just like if there was a particular job I wanted, I would have to move where the job is.
Lets just say that it puts homeschooling as an option that is out of reach.
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Required Subjects: Good citizenship, math, reading, spelling and grammar.
Required Subjects: Reading, writing, English language and grammar, geography, arithmetic, drawing, music, history and constitution of United States, duties of citizenship, health (including CPR), physical education, and good behavior. Mass. Gen. Laws Ch. 71, § 1.
The parent, guardian, or custodian of the children must file a “certificate of enrollment” including names, address, and telephone number of parents and children, dates of birth of children, and a “simple description of the type of education the children are receiving.” The certificate must be submitted by September 15 of each school year to the school attendance officer where the child resides.
“It is not the intention of this section to impair the primary right and the obligation of the parent ... to choose the proper education and training” for their children, and nothing in this section shall be construed to grant the State of Mississippi “authority to control, manage or supervise” the private education of children. “And this section shall never be construed so as to grant, by implication or otherwise, any right or authority to any state agency or other entity to control, manage, supervise, provide for or affect the operation, management, program, curriculum, admissions policy or discipline of any such school or home instruction program.” Miss. Code Ann. § 37-13-91(9).
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Based on your logic the inalienable right life means we get to live the lives that the state says we can.
Not sure what your bitching about there. The state is not being oppressive or tyrannical when options are available.
Hypocritical bigot.
That is incorrect. 'Tyranny' involves the state mandated limitation of options. All that is required is that available options are limited to those that are state-approved. It matters not if that's limited to one option (as in your ridiculous example) or 5. State mandated limitations are state-mandated limitations.
Your a complete hypocritical bigot.
So your saying you want to reserve the right to not teach your children basic math or reading required to properly function in society?
Going with the OP post, his right to free speech was not infringed upon.
Not sure what your bitching about there. The state is not being oppressive or tyrannical when options are available.
A child's right to education supersedes your right to not want to give them one.
Your an idiot.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by nenothtu
That is incorrect. 'Tyranny' involves the state mandated limitation of options. All that is required is that available options are limited to those that are state-approved. It matters not if that's limited to one option (as in your ridiculous example) or 5. State mandated limitations are state-mandated limitations.
Gee, you mean limitations like having a certain required minimum curriculum that a child has a right to learn in which to function properly in American society? Yes, I get it... You think it's tyrannical of the government to protect the right's of children.
Yep, keep saying this pal, and maybe no one will realize you looking in a mirror.
So you're saying the basic algebra, geometry, and trigonometric mathematics I teach my kids is just too much? You're saying that physics would be too much to teach my own children, and better they get sent to a crap public school where not only my kids flounder but everyone else kids too? While we're at it, you're saying that the public schools that clearly failed to teach you the difference between your and you're is where my school belongs?
I have not read one post in this thread who has said his right was infringed. I have read plenty of posts calling him a moron and a tool, most of those posts coming from you, and I have seen other posts demanding this guy be fired for simply speaking his mind. I have seen others beside myself defend this man for speaking his mind, and I have seen you attack those who defend them, and accuse these members of your own indecencies.
Of course you're not sure. You're a sycophant of the state, and a proud ignoramus who has no intentions of being anything better than mediocre and petty. You're highest ambition is to be a tyrant to more than just you're immediate family.
My child knows the difference between the possessive pronoun and the contraction, and knows this because I took the careful time to ensure his right to an education was fulfilled. Too bad your parents didn't care as much about you.
Huh-huh. The proper grammar would be You are an idiot, or you're an idiot, but don't take my word for it, trust the public education you got. Look, I am not even going to bother to respond to the rest of your nonsense, since you can't even take the time to call someone an idiot in the correct grammatical usage. You're a real piece of work.