warning this can offend law abiding citizens - Which I'm not one of.

reply to post by metro


et tu brutus ?

reply to post by Anti-Evil

I can designate a school day as "Earth Day" and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise the goddess "Mother Earth" and call it "ecology.."

I'm sorry I do not agree with this.

As selfish human beings, we have destroyed so many forests and natural habitat that it's our duty to put something back. Especially at schools, where tons of books/paper are involved, we need to teach kids to grow more trees so that we don't strip this planet bare! They provide us with oxygen and clean our air...

It's just wrong to call that- 'worshiping mother earth'. It's actually called 'being responsible'.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I am confused about why you are flopping your opinions around claiming to be sarcastic. Say what you mean or nothing at all, sarcasm is usually shown by tone of voice which can't be read over the Internet. Also I'm posting from work on a phone so sorry if I didn't sit down to study your position, especially with as many posts as you have.
Kind of trolling the forum aren't you

reply to post by Anti-Evil


From what i understand of the american constitution and other documents to do with your law, there is a clear point about freedom of religion. This means in a public situation like a public school PA system you cannot start spouting off your religious views.

It would be wrong for an atheist to proclaim there is no god over the school PA system just the same as it is wrong for this man to be able to ask everyone to praise god.

This is simple seperation of church and state. If you want to pray at football games, send your kids to a private school. If you want state to provide free education for your children, then church and state will be seperate.

Our founding fathers were Christian and Puritan, and they believed this to be important enough to include in the constitution.

reply to post by GummB


Let's be clear here, you are pro suppression, this is evident, even if it is "just a little suppression". Further, you seem to think a troll is defined by the number of posts a person makes, which I have no doubt makes life difficult for you, what all that reading and all. So, what we have is your contribution, which is to advocate a little suppression of religion so you don't have worry about answering your door and being offended, and the remainder of your posts have been to respond to the one poster who teased you for being pro suppression. Try reading this thread, and staying on topic from here on out, or don't, I am all for your freedom pal.

When I was playing high school football in southside VA our coaches would lead the team in the Lords prayer before and after EVERY game inside the locker room. It was tradition and it was simply asking for God to watch over the players and to protect them. Nothing sinister or evil about it.

And we all threw our hands in there and bowed our heads and repeated the words, not because we were all bible thumpers or even Christians, but we did it out of repsect for our coaches and our team mates. And I can imagine nobody wanted to be the guy to refuse or to talk while it was being done because the next week at practice he would have been running suicides until his guts fell out.

Sometimes its not about religion or personal politics, it is about comradery and showing respect when it is due. I applaud the principle who said what he believed, whether or not I agree with everything he said, I defend his right to say it. Some of these communities (especially down south) are tight knit and very much in favor or honoring tradition.

And as someone else pointed out, this prayer is probably something they have been doing at these games for 50 years or more. Some things people hold sacred and it doesn't pay to try and tell people what they can and can't do in their own community.


Political correctness is a disease.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by BlackOps719]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


You clearly have no understanding of The Constitution for the United States of America, and rather than relying on what others have told you about that Constitution, perhaps you should consider reading it for yourself, before spouting off what you think it means.

Originally posted by BlackOps719


And as someone else pointed out, this prayer is probably something they have been doing at these games for 50 years or more. Some things people hold sacred and it doesn't pay to try and tell people what they can and can't do in their own community.


Political correctness is a disease.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by BlackOps719]

Americans owned slaves for more than 50 years, and prevented blacks from voting for even longer. Did it "pay" to change that tradition?

Americans also allowed men to beat their wives for longer than 50 years. I can tell you, from someone that would have been on the other side of the "beating rod", I think changing that tradition has "paid" and then some.

Just because something is tradition doesn't mean it's any more correct or worthwhile.

[edit on 5/26/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

I would pose that anyone offended by prayer should simply be asked to get over it. they can exercise their freedoms regardless of the prayer being said.

Being offended doesn't make you a victim. And it isn't unconstitutional to offend.

Just a quick note: I'm going to be passing out some pamphlets at either your place of employment or your child's school (or maybe both!). Nothing to worry about, though. It's just some information about socialism, the eventual fall of capitalism, why Christianity is destroying the world, and why they should convert to godless communism. Oh, I'm also going to be doing this as a government employee, on government time, and using government resources (just like the principal).

If you're offended, I suggest you "get over it", as you suggested the rest of us to do in your comment above.

Go for it, man! I could use some more kindling, and wouldn't dream of getting rowdy over a little thing like that! I mean, you wouldn't be the first, nor the last, and if I got myself all worked up over insignificant stuff like that, my knuckles would NEVER heal.

Be careful at the school, though. My son isn't nearly as tolerant of foolishness as I am, and has a tendency towards rowdiness. I'm trying to get him over that, but until I do, you probably ought to watch him...

reply to post by nenothtu


Veiled threats aside, I was just being facetious to make a point to that specific poster, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, and it's "woman", not "man".

Originally posted by rival
I think public prayer should be allowed in schools, over the PA.

I wholeheartedly agree that prayer is/was/will be what makes this
country great...and I am going to do something about it THIS FRIDAY.

At my local high school football game I am going to ask to speak
over the PA, and when I am given the chance, I am going to lead
my small town in prayer. To thank God for all we have, to bless
the this contest of sportsmanship, to bless our troops, and to
bless us all....

I will also pray that I won't be yelled at, persecuted or worse,
for my beliefs...because I will be praying to Buddha.

May I get up after you and lead everyone in a prayer to Satan?

Can my Muslim friend follow me with a prayer that Allah smites the infidel football team?

Can my Atheist friend follow him and lead everyone in a moment of quiet reflection about how stupid the idea of any god is?

We simply ask for the same time and attention you receive. I have lots more friends of lots of different religions so it might take a while before the game starts. Fair though, right?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


How DARE you forget Zeus, Vishnu, and the great JuJu of the sea?

Someone is just begging for a smiting tonight...

reply to post by K J Gunderson


What kind of Satanist asks for permission to pray? Would you be making any ritual sacrifices? Would your Muslim friend be one of those who threatens a couple clowns who produce an animated show or would they be the other Muslims who keep silent when the militant Muslims threaten killing a couple of clowns who make fun of every other religion? Has it occurred to you that the group you hang out with sounds like one of those jokes you hear at the saloon? You know; a Priest, a Rabbi, and an Iman all walk into a bar and the Satanist bartender asks...."

If you have too ask permission, all to often the answer is no. This is why government has been prohibited from making laws that would force people to ask for permission for something that is a right. It is your right to be a Satanist, brother, and don't let anyone fool you into thinking you need permission to be one...even in public.



[edit on 26-5-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]

Originally posted by frozenspark
No one is holding you at gun point telling you to pray. This country was founded by Christians and many traditions are Christian. Who do you think the first Thanksgiving was given to? Allah? So sorry, but when in Rome.

Atheists in this thread are being completely illogical and dumb. And this is coming from someone who does not follow the dogma of Christian church.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by frozenspark]

Illogical and dumb? You mean by saying stupid things like referencing Thanksgiving and "when in Rome" in the same sentence? Thanksgiving was all about destroying "Rome," Killing off the people and doing away with their traditions. If it was anything like you attempt to portray it, they would have given thanks to an Iriquois god, not a Christian one. They brought that with them and imposed it on the people. This is why the founders of the country were smart enough to know religion had no place in government.

Thanksgiving and "when in Rome" That is funny stuff.

Now, can you explain where the Atheists are being so illogical and dumb? Saying it is all good and nice but after reading this post, I feel like I just need to know what is so dumb and illogical, aside from your post.

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Now, can you explain where the Atheists are being so illogical and dumb? Saying it is all good and nice but after reading this post, I feel like I just need to know what is so dumb and illogical, aside from your post.

Wait, are you a Satanist or an atheist? Maybe you're really just a hypotheticalist. Do you attend the Church of Hypothetical Fallacies? You have every right to do so you know?

[edit on 26-5-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

How DARE you forget Zeus, Vishnu, and the great JuJu of the sea?

Someone is just begging for a smiting tonight...

LOL. Well obviously I was leaving out the REAL gods for poetic reasons.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

What kind of Satanist asks for permission to pray?

What kind of person would respond to me without actually reading my post?

I said nothing about praying myself. I asked if I could lead the school in a prayer to Satan. That would include all those families, you and your children that just made me sit through your prayer.

Before you even ask why I would ask permission to lead the school in a prayer as a Satanist, I can only say that I am not sure what you think a Satanist is. We do not magically get to use any microphone we wish. Furthermore, we completely respect the fact that our religion is personal and should not be pounded into peoples heads anywhere, especially state funded public events.

Amazing Satanists can show that much respect but this "Christian" principal could not.

Would you be making any ritual sacrifices?

Why would you ask? Last time I checked that was a Christian thing. Your bible is full of your god asking for sacrifices - even human. Go read my bible sometime. You will find we do not engage in such wastefully cruel practices.

So I guess it would make more sense for you to ask the Muslim and Christian speakers that as their religions do involve ritual sacrifice and Satanism does not.

Would your Muslim friend be one of those who threatens a couple clowns who produce an animated show or would they be the other Muslims who keep silent when the militant Muslims threaten killing a couple of clowns who make fun of every other religion?

If so, that is not what he will be using his allotted time to speak for. Did you even try reading my post before you responded to it? I specifically said he would simply be praying just like you. I never asked if he could rant about socio-politcal issues. Please try and keep up with what I actually write, it will make this go much more smoothly.

Has it occurred to you that the group you hang out with sounds like one of those jokes you hear at the saloon?

You know; a Priest, a Rabbi, and an Iman all walk into a bar and the Satanist bartender asks...."

You know our bar then?

If you have too ask permission, all to often the answer is no.

So it is ok for you to get up and say your prayer but since we all asked nicely and with respect, we do not get to? So you are admitting you feel Christianity is ok to interject in PUBLIC SCHOOLS on my AMERICAN TAX DOLLAR but not any other religions that are common in this country? Is that really what you are saying?

This is why government has been prohibited from making laws that would force people to ask for permission for something that is a right. It is your right to be a Satanist, brother, and don't let anyone fool you into thinking you need permission to be one...even in public.

So you did read my post, did you? I never asked for the right to be a Satanist. I am asking for the same right you have to tell my children about Jesus to tell your kids about Satan. How do you not understand this?


I know I can be a Satanist anywhere I like and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Obviously your prejudice towards your god has left you a little slow and confused here. I could care less what people in that audience are privately.

Let me try it one more time so you might get it this time.

If you get to take time at a public event paid for with my tax dollars to talk to everyone in the audience about Jesus, do my friends and I also get that right or is it only ok for Christians to take the mic and tell everyone in the audience what they should believe?

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Veiled threats aside, I was just being facetious to make a point to that specific poster, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, and it's "woman", not "man".

What 'veiled threat'? I think I was pretty clear about not getting too rowdy over insignificant stuff like passing out pamphlets. Maybe you're just overly sensitive?

I apologize for the mistake in gender, ma'am. It's kinda hard to see you clearly through this 'puter screen.

So I'm to be left out of the pamphleteering? That's not very inclusive , progressive, or socialistic of you.

I feel SO alone... but I'll pray for you all the same.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Wait, are you a Satanist or an atheist?

Why do you ask? Simply because I am asking why Atheist are being "dumb and illogical" in this thread? Can I not ask that question unless I am one?

Maybe you're really just a hypotheticalist. Do you attend the Church of Hypothetical Fallacies?

Maybe you are just an uneducated ignorant person who is trying to swim in waters too deep? Clearly you know less about my religion and yours to opine on the subject so perhaps you should find some facts and stick to those.

You have every right to do so you know?

Just like you have every right to attend a Christian church. Is anyone here claiming you can not? The only one saying that they deserve rights and treatment others do not is you.