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The Police States of America!!

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posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by foxtrot_uniform
some people are just happy in there sweet little lives that it just happens around them and they adapt to it. Like a cold blooded animal. No not that many people are stupid not to relize it they just dont. The government has "shielded their eyes".


how? if its true then why do so many hate and question the government?




posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:01 PM
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Denial, no. Using common sense, yes. If a hurricane is approaching the coast, is it wrong to declare a state of emergency, no, it's appropriate! Yes, I live in the US. I think the US is taking appropriate precautions in light of both past G-8 summits around the world as well as the threat of terrorist attacks. If you haven't noticed, more terrorist attacks have happened outside of the US borders.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by The Merovingian
However, if the Ministry of Truth tells you, it must be true!


i dont recall any truth ministry or any one entity hiding everything and lieing about what they want us to know or stopping us from saying things they dont accept, you are paranoid.


I suggest you peruse Orwell's book '1984' and then you will become familiar with the term 'Ministry of Truth'.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:02 PM
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its all in the book of revelation



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by CommonSense
Denial, no. Using common sense, yes. If a hurricane is approaching the coast, is it wrong to declare a state of emergency, no, it's appropriate! Yes, I live in the US. I think the US is taking appropriate precautions in light of both past G-8 summits around the world as well as the threat of terrorist attacks. If you haven't noticed, more terrorist attacks have happened outside of the US borders.


What they have done, with their 'Yellow' alerts and the pre-warnings of an impending terrorist attack, along with all the activity going on with the G-8, is only soften the shock when their next staged 'attack' takes place. Then everyone will see how intuitive and smart they are and how they keep us safe and cozy in our nice little world.

Then when things cool down, rush through Patriot Act II, and III, and .......



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by The Merovingian
I suggest you peruse Orwell's book '1984' and then you will become familiar with the term 'Ministry of Truth'.


i've read it ok, the reality isnt even close to the book, the ministry of truth was an obvious information control group and anyways the media doesnt only promote government policy, youre exaggerating.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by namehere]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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Oh man, I figured it would turn out something like this...I heard about the pre-emptive state of emergency to curb protesters, but this is amazing. Whenever we do have another terrorist attack, Sea Island will be the frame for martial law in the US.
If I knew they were going to make such a big deal, I would have been that guy standing in the street with a sign. I'd have witnesses too, so everyone can see how the right to peacefully protest was trampled on during this event.
BTW...I know some were protesting by singing songs on a beach, but it would be nice to see a person or two in the street...How long does this summit last? Anyone care to meet me there?



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:16 PM
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One definition of socialism:
socialism - an economic system based on state ownership of capital
www.thefreedictionary.com...

That's what happens when that nation declares a national emergeny. Technically we have been in such a state since the Civil War, and there are documents specifying how all ownership is in the state and it is through the state that we have such a priveledge to use such.
The most common example is your car, which you bought, but the government can control your actions in such.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by The Merovingian
I suggest you peruse Orwell's book '1984' and then you will become familiar with the term 'Ministry of Truth'.


i've read it ok, the reality isnt even close to the book, the ministry of truth was an obvious information control group and anyways the media doesnt only promote government policy, youre exaggerating.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by namehere]


Have you ever breezed through the channels and come across CNN?
Their handy little slogan is that they are "THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS". How many times a day do they flash that across the screen?

Don't forget that the clever nasties controlling the media show what seems to be a fair balance but it in the end it is all meant to deceive and to slowly influence one's mind and behaviours.

Not only that but the majority, if not all, of the world's media is controlled by a handful of elites. Can't you see the correlation to the once fictional Ministry of Truth??



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by namehere

no, the posse comitatus(sp?) states the military(applies to the cia also) cannot perform police duties or what they are doing in georgia, this is illegal and suspicious.


Nope not ilegal. Read the Act carefully

"POSSE COMITATUS ACT" (18 USC 1385): A Reconstruction Era criminal law proscribing use of Army (later, Air Force) to "execute the laws" except where expressly authorized by Constitution or Congress. Limit on use of military for civilian law enforcement also applies to Navy by regulation. Dec '81 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-78) clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies--including the Coast Guard--especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews). Positive results have been realized especially from Navy ship/aircraft involvement

www.uscg.mil...



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 09:30 PM
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America is the ( last domino) or ( first domino) in the path to the new world order, once the people swallow this, they will swallow more, if you people don't stand and fight the rest of the world will go down the tubes!



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 09:47 PM
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When the average person seeks this much security, you would call him "paranoid." The clinical definition of that is not just fearful over caution but "delusions of grandeur."

So since the G-8 has no delusions about its "grandeur," it appears that it is not necessarily clinically "paranoid." However that does not mean something is not desperately wrong, something "rotten in Denmark," as Shakespeare put it.

It would seem that an unwillingness to listen and to dictate unyieldingly is a grave problem in history. The populace realizes the commons are important, and that even the G-8 nations would benefit from some constructive criticism. Economic abuses may affect the bottom line in only the smallest sense for the extremely wealthy. How large are the charges and changes for everyone? It could be one big Section 8 for the power brokers too, they are "shooting themselves in the foot."

The big picture is absent when no flaws are adjusted. The caprice of some dictator too often makes the lives of many people so difficult for what is not even a proper balance sheet for the elite as well.

The protesters might be saying, "You don't go confiscating the water supplies of nations around the world. Not only is water is a basic right, but you keep buying and confiscating capacity for far less than is fair and you charge significantly higher." Governments might be "inefficient to the task," but things are far more parsimonious, with good government vs. privatization or "confiscation."

That is only one issue of fairness vs. unfathomable greed, and there are so many things being laid down in granite at each of these meetings. Far reaching changes affect everyone even the wealthiest.

Concepts of fairness were not just designed for the mainstream and the poor, but for the very rich too. JFK said "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." That is not simply "welfare," it is "teaching others to fish." Even that too often is denied.

Yeah you need police and armies like this at a G-8 for one reason, you are wrong, wrong. wrong and there are too few of you determining too much without adequate research and informed judgments.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by SkipShipman]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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The creator of this thread is pretty bone-headed. Orwellian society?

Get real, 1984 was fiction, it could never happen. Even the Soviet Union, the closest example to an Orwellian society, collapsed.

1984 is about as realistic as the idea of the NWO...someone else mentioned that up there.

There can never be "one world government".

Britain can't control Irish, Germans can't control French, Serbs can't even control Bosnians or Croats, the Turks can't control Arabs, the Chinese can't control Taiwan, Japan can't control China, North Korea can't control South Korea.

Where the hell are you going to get one government out of that mess? Ever sense the rise of Nationalism in the mid to late 1800s, the idea of a one world government went out the window.

You are all just a bunch of loonies...America is not a Police State, Saudi Arabia is...you try being a woman walking down the street without an abaya and find how fast the mutawaeen arrest you.

North Korea is a police state.

America is the most transparent nation on earth, it has more than 87,000 governments that make their own laws and taxes. The US can never become under the rule of one authority as much as the world can.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 10:10 PM
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Netstorm, I believe what is being implied is a War like atmosphere being operated inside the US boarders. This "Act" involves the Coast Guard.. so as far as Military Presence in a police role...

Yes it is illegal for military to act as "police" unless Martial Law is declared. However has anyone tried looking at the Patriot Acts to see if this falls into anything? There are some High Profile people at this meeting. Of course securtiy is going to be at the highest level. Before everyone gets into an uproar about the NWO and Martial Law, I suggest some research be done first on the subject.

Here is a start
Trick



Houstonchronicle.com
War prompts debate on military law
Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans use of troops for many actions on U.S. soil
By T.A. BADGER
Associated Press

SAN ANTONIO -- America is at war, and because it's generally thought that some enemies are within our borders, it makes sense to many to send the Army after them in the interest of homeland security. After all, the military is trained to find and engage hostile forces.

But with few exceptions, letting the military loose for domestic law enforcement has been a criminal act for more than a century.

The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 have Pentagon officials, members of Congress and others thinking that it might be a good time to amend the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which bans the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines from participating in arrests, searches, seizure of evidence and other police-type activity on U.S. soil.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.







[edit on 8-6-2004 by TrickmastertricK]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 10:28 PM
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What you don't get is they are not acting as police, but security, and the Army can do that.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
What you don't get is they are not acting as police, but security, and the Army can do that.


Not on US Soil. There is Not a War in The US right Now. They are not acting on any credible information as the site to be attacked. If anything they are acting on the possibilities of an attack occuring, which would still need to be approved by the AG. This has not been done.


df1

posted on Jun, 9 2004 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
The creator of this thread is pretty bone-headed. Orwellian society?


I beg to differ.

Bush went to war with Iraq for peace.
No Iraqi's were tortured, they were abused.
Reagan was the 'great commuicator', not a former actor.
Citizens have constituional rights, unless that citizen is deemed an 'enemy combatant' which makes them not a citizen anymore.
Everyone is guaranteed civil rights, unless you are a white male.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they dont disagree with a minority, then they are a racist or anti-semetic.
Women are a minority even though we have a larger population of women than we do men.
People that carry guns and maintain order are peace officers.
Iraqi's that fight for the right to rule their own country are terrorists, not freedom fighters.
When other countries have nuclear weapons they WMDs, when the US has nuclear weapons they are a deterent.
Banks that report every transaction that we make to the government are not invading our privacy, they are providing security.
The legislation to further take away our constitutional rights is call the "Patriot Act" even though it defiles everything our founding fathers believed in.

These things sure sound like Orwells doublespeak to me. What would you call these things?

And our broadcast airwaves certainly provide a diversity of opinion if you are a republican or democrat, but little or no access is granted to socialists, libertarians, greens, populists or other political parties. This sounds Orwellian as well.

And isn't it just wonderful that both political candidates are members of the same skull and bones secret society. Do you think its a mere coincidence that members of this organization get all of the great positions of power and sweetheart business deals worth billions? Isn't our open and free non-Orwellian government wonderful.

I could go on with pages upon pages of additional examples, but will stop here.

BTW Just out of curiousity are skull and bones members considered freemasons?



posted on Jun, 9 2004 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
The creator of this thread is pretty bone-headed. Orwellian society?

Get real, 1984 was fiction, it could never happen. Even the Soviet Union, the closest example to an Orwellian society, collapsed.

1984 is about as realistic as the idea of the NWO...someone else mentioned that up there.

There can never be "one world government".

Britain can't control Irish, Germans can't control French, Serbs can't even control Bosnians or Croats, the Turks can't control Arabs, the Chinese can't control Taiwan, Japan can't control China, North Korea can't control South Korea.

Where the hell are you going to get one government out of that mess? Ever sense the rise of Nationalism in the mid to late 1800s, the idea of a one world government went out the window.

You are all just a bunch of loonies...America is not a Police State, Saudi Arabia is...you try being a woman walking down the street without an abaya and find how fast the mutawaeen arrest you.

North Korea is a police state.

America is the most transparent nation on earth, it has more than 87,000 governments that make their own laws and taxes. The US can never become under the rule of one authority as much as the world can.


I'm sorry, but what you say above makes my kid's hamster look intelligent.

Hey....I know you......you are the posterboy for the misinformed and cleverly misdirected.

Oh yeah, I forgot....you are one of them Mason folk so you best be doin whatchu can to distract thems attention from whats be really goin on!!

Go back to bed!



posted on Jun, 9 2004 @ 01:19 AM
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America is the most transparent nation on earth, it has more than 87,000 governments that make their own laws and taxes


Umm, I don't really understand where this comes from...Are you speaking of agencies, corporations, or....what? I was under the impression that it all ultimately went to the top, except for maybe a few establishments like the Federal Reserve, but aren't they connected as well?



posted on Jun, 9 2004 @ 01:21 AM
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DF1 - I think that I will be agreeing wholeheartedly with you.
It really is a shame that there isn't a pre-screening exam before being granted your ATS password. Had there been, then 50% of my time wasted would NOT be wasted!

There really are still quite a few puppets out there who dance to their string masters.

For all our good brothers and sisters who know the truth - rock on and live in peace knowing that the likes of 'the man' won't be misguiding us anytime soon.


As for the rest of ya's..........



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