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Should America do away with borders altogether?

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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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I am trying to understand the position of those who think that we should do nothing about illegal immigration. Many of them seem to be arguing it is racist or xenophobic to enforce our borders, and to send illegal immigrants back home to their own countries.

In many threads on the topic, I hear arguments put forward by those opposed to illegal immigration. Rational argument as to why they feel people should go through the process and paperwork, but I dont really hear rational arguments as to why illegal immigration should be allowable. I usually just hear name calling and personal attacks from those who support illegal immigration. Lots of accusations of bigotry, racism, xenophobia, small mindedness, nazi-ism, you get the drift. Very emotionally charged and sincere posts, I am sure, but I have yet to hear reasoning for why we should allow people to freely flow into the country.

So, I would like to hear the arguments FOR allowing unchecked and unmonitored immigration into the US. Why do you feel this is something that would be good for America? Do you acknowledge any down side? Should we exclude any one from immigrating? Or should we just put out the welcome mat and ask no questions?




posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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I don't think, anyone can make a pro-illegal immigration retort? Without Throwing in the race card, or how unfair america is. It is just common sense that America, can't take care of everybody. but it would seem that Liberals have a word for common sense, it is HATE SPEECH. I think most liberals are good hearted people, but they really need to grow up. I use to be liberal on a lot of things, and liked the idea of socialism... but as I got older I found out the harsh realities of the world. The world isn't fair.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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It would have all been so easy if we had no boarders to begin with. Its a little too late in the game now for what if. Centuries of division due to invisible lines on a map is the reason we are all in the mess we are...but stiill...what if.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Three words from me "no way, jose!!!!"

second line.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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reply to post by stereovoyaged
 

If we have no borders, Then we have no order. If we have no order, then there is no Law...
It would be like the Old West, everywhere. I take it your an Anarchist, which is fine.... A non-boarder society may have worked with The Indians and other Nomadic people, but there are just to many jerks in the world now.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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Can you show an example of people on ATS saying illegal immigration should be allowed?

Just asking.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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The reason I think the borders should not be done away with is this:
1.) We do not have enough work or resources to support the AMERICAN CITIZENS right now, but yet there are people crossing our borders and taking the jobs WE COULD HAVE AND WOULD BE GLAD TO DO!!!!
2.) MONEY
3.) TERRORISM.
4.)Drug cartels.
5.)Food shortages.
6.)Places to live is in short supply as the cost has dramatically increased for juast the most basic shelter, yet they always seem to find a place to live, albeit fifty to a two bedroom trailer, I think this is unfair as it could provide housing for a US citizen that may be homeless right NOW!!!!

These are all the reasons ansd I am sure the list could go on and on and on!!!!!



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Anybody advocating open borders.

Please provide your address so I can come over and make myself at home.

Otherwise please, *snip*



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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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The border should not impeed people, it should still be there but more like the borders in the EU. Illegal immigration should be stopped at the workplace.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Open Borders ???
Don't we already have this ???
I mean the Gov goes through the motions
but is anything REALLY accomplished ???
If so why over 12M illegals???
We have open borders now,
just not in writing

and in my view, if u dont have borders
you have an open wound that never heals
and eventually u will bleed to death



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Do away with borders as in incorporate Mexicon into the United States ?

That would probably be the most practical ? What do others think ?

As it stands, Mexico could (maybe already does) hold the US over a barrel by forming friendships with a superpower -- say India or China, Russia

So if Mexico became part of the US, this would alleviate such a threat

It would also mean the US would have to pump money into what was Mexico -- no free lunches, after all

and that would mean money earmarked for schools, health etc. would have to be diverted to 'renovations' in what was Mexico, i.e., spending lavishly on ex-Mexican infrastructure, etc.

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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I agree there should have never been borders.

One quote explains it,,, "All Men Are Created Equal" and I do not mean just the U.S..

The only way to stop them is take the thing they are coming for out of the problem...World-Wide Equal Wage ....NO job should be paid more than any other....A dishwasher is just as important as a doctor to keep the economy going....Just because the doctor went to college,They should not get more money,,,No one forced the doctor to go to college so he does not deserve more...He chose to go to college because there was more money to be made in that field...If schools taught simple first aid, We would only need doctors for extreme cases and they wouldn't need to see a patient for a non-life threatining injury.
You call it NWO ,I call it Class 1 Civilization and hopefully I live long enough to see it.Some of the things the NWO are planning are immoral. and I do NOT agree with,Don't get me wrong. This planet IS for everyone on it not just the people in control.
I know I will get bashed for that but there is no other solution.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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I, for one, believe the whole division thing is ridiculous. Because it segregates people based on where they were born. You can't live in certain parts of the world because you were born in other parts of the world. "Sorry, maybe if you were born here, then we can talk."

To me, that isn't any different than any other prejudices.

As for the whole, "Let me move into your home and see how you like it" thing, that is a ridiculous notion. That is an invasion of personal space, which isn't what is being talked about. Anyone with the means can move into your neighborhood right now. All that would be required of them is that they abide the laws. There is no difference between a rude illegal moving in next door, and a rude legal moving in next door. They're still a rude person.



I believe borders are a waste of time. And while I don't support a one world government, simply because I don't believe anyone(any small percentage of the population) should be entrusted with that much power, I do believe that ultimately we seek unity.


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This whole, "Fine, then let me move into your house and let me use your things" argument is some kind of retarded anti-Marxist rhetoric thing.

This is about human beings having the freedom to move around, and as long as they follow the law, what is the problem?

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Take into consideration that an elimination of borders means no more illegal immigration. It would basically mean the US and Mexico become a new country, of which all inhabitants are citizens. Therefore, it would be no different than Jimbob moving to Texas next to Steve.

As long as they're not being psychotic law breaking buttfaces, what IS the problem?



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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Would this open borders theory be applied to your house also, your car, your bank account, your ______________ (fill in the blank)?

If you say no to any of the above things, you are a HYPOCRITE.








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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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The *snip* problem is, I do not want to be part of your *snip* communist utopia. Where the elite can destroy my freedoms and the sovereignty of my damn Nation.

*snip* and your NWO agenda.

*snip*



I am going to state this once and I do not give a crap if the tyrants come knocking on my door. The instant my government attempts to make this country part of any damn larger country, that is the day I declare war on the federalist in DC.

That is TREASON you are speaking about. Treason against my country and against my *snip* Constitution.

Anyone in the government that calls for any dissolution of any damn border is a traitor. Plain as *snip* day. PERIOD!


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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca
Would this open borders theory be applied to you house also, you car, your bank account, your ______________ (fill in the blank)?

If you say no to any of the above things, you are a HYPOCRITE.


So by that logic if an immigrant enters legally does he also get legal access to "you house also, you car, your bank account, your ______________ (fill in the blank)?"



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC
Can you show an example of people on ATS saying illegal immigration should be allowed?



Not in those words. But I do see untold numbers of posts that accuse those who want to enforce immigration laws of being racist, bigots, xenophobes, etc.

If you feel enforcing immigration law is Nazi-ism, and you oppose the enforcement of immigration law, you are essentially arguing for an open border. Any law you have that you do not allow to be enforced is, in practical terms, not a law at all.


And if you argue heatedly against the enforcement of a law, it seems reasonable to assume you do not want that law.

Please correct me if I am reasoning incorrectly.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by SentientBeyondDesign
 

I am going to state this once and I do not give a crap if the tyrants come knocking on my door. The instant my government attempts to make this country part of any damn larger country, that is the day I declare war on the federalist in DC.

That is TREASON you are speaking about. Treason against my country and against my frelling Constitution.

Anyone in the government that calls for any dissolution of any damn border is a traitor. Plain as frelling day. PERIOD!


This is rich. So the US expanding to the pacific and aquiring the southwest, Alaska and Hawaii were treason against your country.

You should have declared war at birth.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

So by that logic if an immigrant enters legally does he also get legal access to "you house also, you car, your bank account, your ______________ (fill in the blank)?"



We are talking open borders, not Legals or illegals anymore. Stay in the realm of context.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca

Originally posted by daskakik

So by that logic if an immigrant enters legally does he also get legal access to "you house also, you car, your bank account, your ______________ (fill in the blank)?"



We are talking open borders, not Legals or illegals anymore. Stay in the realm of context.



Thought we were talking about borders being erased. Anyone could enter the states so everyone would be legal.

With the border only those allowed are let in but even though they are allowed in they still have to respect others stuff and the law.

I'm sure this would still be the case if there were no borders.

[edit on 24-5-2010 by daskakik]

[edit on 24-5-2010 by daskakik]



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