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shouldn't survivalists be creating a more survivable future

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posted on May, 23 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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What if this technology happens
and moveable cities becomes
the future or world power.
How will survivalists
cope then, if the
best thing to
do is join
one.

What I'm asking is
shouldn't survivalists be
creating a more survivable future
instead of planing to survive the future?


David Grouchy




posted on May, 23 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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What if this technology happens
and moveable cities becomes
the future or world power.
Occupation could
become literal.

Look at it this way
our government is here
to repress bad things that happen
be _we_ are here to shape our own futures.

For instance, if in the spot at the end of
the picture where it says
[your message here]
I could put one
of these four.


[guns! to secure your property]

[Green, the future of luxury]

[Hydrogen burns! Helium Doesn't
Dow Chemical for your home]

[Retirement funds, for those
singular individuals who plan a.]

Myself, what I would like to see, is a
Survival Techniques forum where this message
wouldn't strike the reader as funny cause it's unexpected.

[Survival Techniques. Building the Future.]


David Grouchy



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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No. We're long past the tipping point where a massive worldwide disaster became unavoidable, the game has changed.



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Arkady
No.


So you're not
building a better future.
What are we building then?
It seems to me one would want
to know what one is running towards
rather than what one is running away from.


David Grouchy



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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How's this?
Any thoughts?
Watch the video clips. Listen to what he has to say about what they are doing in Alaska.
www.lincolncountywatch.org...

[edit on 23-5-2010 by RedmoonMWC]



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Survivalists are ensuring a better future for themselves and their family. I'd wager that 9/10ths of the survivalist population are hard working, tax-paying, honest folks you'd want as a neighbor. Not to mention the children they raise have that old-school work ethic and a more humble outlook. In short, these are the people already making the future better.

You're apparently looking for an architectural/engineering/societal aesthetic which probably requires $billions and hordes of social engineers. Call up Goldman and see if you can get some CDS on that coastal enclave. Maybe you can get Wal-Mart and McDonald's to sponsor one of those projects.



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
Watch the video clips. Listen to what he has to say about what they are doing in Alaska.
www.lincolncountywatch.org...


This is my impressions of a group of people who want punishment.

at minute 1:20 suddenly he says "fraud and deception"

accusations that Rape is not being procecuted

scare politicians throw them out

the rule of law



There are many issues folded into this video
notice that there is only one blue tooth at the table
and he is sitting at the . saying ''not a rule by men...''
This is a group in dire need of a communications solution like Push-to-talk.
Kind of like the old squadron radio. The channel is always open and whenever one
speaks, every phone that is on can hear it. They just seem ill equiped for the digital age.

There is one thing I really like about the video, and that is the meeting itself.
Looks like everyone had a turn to speak, and each is a decent listener.
People had notes and documents, and it was informal yet focused.


I almost expected one to break out a dungeon masters screen
and start rolling dice. ''Ok we form a party.'' But to
do what? To build a future, or slay some monsters.
A champion of greviances is just an adventurer,
but an architect is a real survivalist.
I suggest this group hire a firm to
do a study on the relationship
between city design, and rape.
With these findings the group
will be armed with clout.
And they will have a
solution in hand.
Everyone is
angry it's
broken.

Where is
the voice that
identifies the solution.
With an architecture firm one
gets analysis of the problem and
a well designed solution to solve it.
Figuring out what is wrong is most of the
battle but implimenting the solution is the real test.
Look politicians love projects like roads and lighting, it's real.


David Grouchy



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say...



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by tetrahedron
looking for an architectural/engineering/societal aesthetic which probably requires $billions


I can make it look
dirtier if that
works.



No but seriously.
I love your first paragraph.
Exactly the people I think who
will be the ones shaping the future.


David Grouchy



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
Watch the video clips. Listen to what he has to say about what they are doing in Alaska.
www.lincolncountywatch.org...


This is my impressions of a group of people who want punishment.

at minute 1:20 suddenly he says "fraud and deception"

accusations that Rape is not being procecuted

scare politicians throw them out

the rule of law



There are many issues folded into this video
notice that there is only one blue tooth at the table
and he is sitting at the . saying ''not a rule by men...''
This is a group in dire need of a communications solution like Push-to-talk.
Kind of like the old squadron radio. The channel is always open and whenever one
speaks, every phone that is on can hear it. They just seem ill equiped for the digital age.

There is one thing I really like about the video, and that is the meeting itself.
Looks like everyone had a turn to speak, and each is a decent listener.
People had notes and documents, and it was informal yet focused.


I almost expected one to break out a dungeon masters screen
and start rolling dice. ''Ok we form a party.'' But to
do what? To build a future, or slay some monsters.
A champion of greviances is just an adventurer,
but an architect is a real survivalist.
I suggest this group hire a firm to
do a study on the relationship
between city design, and rape.
With these findings the group
will be armed with clout.
And they will have a
solution in hand.
Everyone is
angry it's
broken.

Where is
the voice that
identifies the solution.
With an architecture firm one
gets analysis of the problem and
a well designed solution to solve it.
Figuring out what is wrong is most of the
battle but implimenting the solution is the real test.
Look politicians love projects like roads and lighting, it's real.


David Grouchy




Watch the vid labled solution by your response you only watched the problem vid



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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Seasteading is a fun idea.

But let me know when anti-gravity capable of lifting entire cities into the air becomes reality...

Or maybe I'm missing your point. I know a picture speaks a thousands words and all, but your images are total science fiction.

Actually, I hope they do build those floating cities and float the ignoramous masses off into space leaving the good people to inhabit the earth.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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You already foresee a survivable future if you want it to happen. The only time that I wouldn't want to survive. Is surviving the aftermath of a nuclear explosion, of where I'm exposed to dangerously high levels of radiation. Or surviving with a lack of food and water.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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Great, so you make a "Dubai Palm" in the sky in constant need of highly refined metals, precisely engineered parts, enormous amounts of energy inputs (unless you have some sort of zero-point antigravity drive), and a nightmare of aerial logistics for everything not made in the city (like food). Then there is any sort of 100-year storm sort of scenario where the whole thing gets torn to crap. How exactly is this ivory tower in the sky more sustainable?

I highly doubt our civilization is going to make it to that point without collapsing due to complexity or resource constraints, both of which seem to be ignored by the OP. Even if that weren't enough there is the fact that the whole world economy is a Ponzi scheme and the last of the bubbles that kept it going are collapsing.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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I have just been "owned" by Waldo from Mother Russia.
One eye is swollen shut, I have a busted lip and a
contusion, but my opinion still stands as offered.

What if this stuff already exists, the day
after survival scenario contains a plan
for rebuilding technology doesn't it?

Besides the weaponized uses of
a city suspended from ballons
there is also the evacuation
potential of this design.

Also I am very into
pushing airspace
technology, and
some airtraffic
controls.

Surely we don't
require permission to
take custody of our own world.
Now, If you'll scuse me I'm a see the medic.


David Grouchy



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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First off, your um, poetry is annoying. The way you hit return every couple of words makes it very hard to understand any logic or reason you have.

Let's get one thing across quick. I am a self sufficient survivalist. I can, and will weather any storm that comes, but each night I pray to my God I never see that day.

I work very hard to better my life, my community, to mentor kids. And you call ME out saying I want doomsday, because I am a "survivalist" because I can take care of myself?

No, sir. I look to better my world, and myself. You look to bring yourself up by attacking those who different than you.

Should our world remain as it is, you will still be allowed your voice, should it go bad, rue unto thee that challenged the prepared.

Those who are prepared, hate the thought of being right. We are the ones in the shadows keeping you streets clean, your garbage picked up and trying to educate. We are your friend, your coworker, your neighbor. Yet you do not know us, how much effort we put into being wrong, and as long as you challenge us, you never will........yet we will still remain.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by salchanra

I work very hard to better my life, my community, to mentor kids. And you call ME out saying I want doomsday, because I am a "survivalist" because I can take care of myself?



I am glad that someone has felt "called out", and has spoken up.
Of all the forums on ATS my heart is drawn to the survivalist.
The most practical, most problems solved, most like me.
I am not pleased by some of the uses I see the word
"survivalist" being put too, the worst of these is
when it is couched as being someone who
wants the end of the world to come.

Shouldn't we own this word, and
not TPTB. Shouldn't it mean
what we want it too, not
what some smear job
can make it out as.

The moment has
come for the word
survivalist to lift off the ground
and take flight. I'm nobody. Just someone
pointing out that survivalists have the most "lift"
and if anything is going to stay airborne it's them.

In way of doing this I felt that it was illustrative to show
that the word survivalist can be equal to the word sceptic.
A philosophical word that can be applied to all matters, and
not just doom and gloom scenarios. A scientific word that can
be applied to research and discovery. He is a survivalist, they will
say, because all of his experiments are proved wrong yet he continues.

That is the acme of science, is it not? The expectation of one's theory being
proved wrong and replaced. Isn't this how science advances. I feel that the
survivalist community is the most qualified to build a new civilization.
What I'm challenging, and may get me beat up, is that survivalist
are being painted as only interested in their small little group.
I don't think that is true. But unless we start to say what
survivalism means, that may be what we are called.


David Grouchy



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:57 AM
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The so called solution you refer to is the incorrect way to go about making a better future simply because it is a top-down approach. The Survivalist mentality starts at home with a family, and it spreads as more take up the mindset and teach their children. If you had a whole state employing the prepper mindset you wouldn't even need to call in somebody like FEMA after a disaster because everyone would have supplies, food, clean water, etc. and would be helping each other get things sorted.

Which is more feasible: some floating city contraption or legions of people who think and plan a. and take their own well being and survival into their own hands rather than relying on the grid and government for assistance?



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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The whole floating city thing does not work
no
matter
how
much
you
use
the
return
key.
Storms on the ocean are horrible and dealing with them would be more trouble than they would be worth. We have thousands and thousands of miles of empty land, there is no need to build a floating city just yet.
The whole survival thing is just how to get out of a pinch with what ya got.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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millions already are doing just that... we are preppping for the well being of our own... trying to convinve others of the importance of being prepared and well stocked...and when we get laughed at... most think like I do..

Do not come to my door looking for a hleping hand, because you will not get it... these folks are going to be on their own and if they get ignorant... the survival of me and mines takes total precedence over the want and ignorance of those that did nothing...




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