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Originally posted by ReelView
Hmm, Any chance emc2, wiredamerican and randyvs might be the same person or related in some way? emc2 posts at 5:36, the first response is wired at 5:42 then randy at 5:44? Less than 8 minutes since a new thread and the first two responders are loading the deck with praise for the absolute and irrefutable brilliance of the original post!
Thats a good possibility as all three as a group contributed nothing but nonsense to the topic. Their "support", "facts", and "evidence" consist completely of opinion and faith. Nothing convincing provided to support their claim of this foolish MAN-made book to be of divine nature. Completely unconvincing and full of nonsense.
Silly Christains, why are you all so blind?
Rabbinic Judaism asserts that the Laws of the Jewish Bible were presented to the Jewish people and converts to Judaism and do not apply to gentiles, including Christians, with the notable exception of the Seven Laws of Noah which apply to all people.
Originally posted by edmc^2
Bible history: Its history is accurate and can be relied upon.
Originally posted by Loken68
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by edmc^2
1.Its antiquity. -
Because surely the old ways of thinking are better.
Compared to modern thinking yes!
2.Its total circulation.
Plenty of books are in great circulation now.
This one doesn't get Opras endorsement.
3.The number of languages into which it has been translated.
More than plenty of books have been translated into many different languages
Name one translated into as many as the Bible, just one?
4.Its surpassing greatness as a literary masterpiece.
Is that a fact?
5.And its overwhelming importance to all mankind.
Is that a fact?
1.It imitates no other.
I guess this is true. But then again you do find many similarities in the books of the bible and old myths
Probably because of histories...Again Generic answer.
2.It stands on its own merits, giving credit to its unique Author.
Holy men inspired by God
3.The Bible is also distinguished as having survived more violent controversy than any other book, hated as it is by many enemies.
How many christians hated books that didn't agree with theirs? But otherwise this is just opinion. But this is just an opinion.
No it's facts. I suggest you read Foxes book of Martyrs.
You haven't convinced me.
Yo didn't come here to be convinced, but to attack and a weak job you did at that.
Originally posted by Loken68
Yo didn't come here to be convinced...
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
Jad.. yea only spammars are allowed at ats.
OP I could of sworn this was a biblical attack thread. Well done.
The reason it has all those attributes is because it is from the creator of this universe.
God has to leave his story in a book to his people, it's common sense. If not mandkind is in the dark.
Not only does it have those attributes, but it also predicts a one world order and a mark on our hand having to do with global dictatorship.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
What is common message brought by all prophets & messenger of Allmight Lord? From Adam, Noah, Ibrahim,Ishaq, Ismaile, Jocub, Joseph, Mosses, Jesus & Mohammed (Peace be upon them all).
Not too long ago I took my first English college course and the number one rule in that class was to not make statements like this without also including the supporting evidence.
You make this statement without giving anything to back it up. What is your evidence that the history of the bible is accurate?
(Two Apologies, by R. Watson, London, 1820, p. 57).
“Sir Isaac Newton . . . was also eminent as a critic of ancient writings, and examined with great care the Holy Scriptures. What is his verdict on this point? ‘I find,’ says he, ‘more sure marks of authenticity in the New Testament than in any profane [secular] history whatever
“Even if their precise route were unknown, yet the peculiar features of the country have so much in common that the history would still receive many remarkable illustrations. . . . The occasional springs, and wells, and brooks, are in accordance with the notices of the ‘waters’ of Marah; the ‘springs’ of . . . Elim; the ‘brook’ of Horeb; the ‘well’ of Jethro’s daughters, with its ‘trough’ or tanks, in Midian. The vegetation is still that which we should infer from the Mosaic history.”
“The first tree Ab-raham put in the soil of Beersheba was a tamarisk.” “Following his lead, four years ago we put out two million in the same area. Abraham was right. The tamarisk is one of the few trees we have found that thrives in the south where yearly rainfall is less than six inches.”
— see Gen. 21:33.
“It appears that the Patriarch Abraham did not simply plant any tree upon arriving in Beershe-va. . . . He chose the tree whose shade is cooler than that of other trees. Moreover, the [tama-risk] can withstand heat and long dry spells by sending its roots deep down to find under-ground water. Not surprisingly, the [tamarisk] remains to this day in the vicinity of Beer-sheva.”
“The chronological and geographical statements are more accurate and reliable than those afforded by any other ancient documents; and the biographical and other historical narratives harmonize marvelously with the evidence afforded by extra-biblical documents.”
“He made a molten sea, ten cubits from one brim to the other: it was round all about, and its height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.(I Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2]”
There you have it, "Biblical" math. Anyone who knows anything appreciable about mathematics knows that there is an absolute formula that never varies for the circumference of circular objects. That equation says absolutely that the pool had to be 31.4 feet, not 30 feet. … God should know if a pool is round or not; and he should be able to measure. Likewise, ...? If one thing can be "wrong" and in fact is wrong -- then anything can be and probably is wrong. You can't have it both ways.”
“Up to the time of Archimedes [third century B.C.E.], the circumference of a circle was always measured in straight lines by the radius; and Hiram would naturally describe the sea as thirty cubits round, measuring it, as was then invariably the practice, by its radius, or semi-diameter, of five cubits, which being applied six times round the perimeter, or ‘brim,’ would give the thirty cubits stated. There was evidently no intention in the passage but to give the dimensions of the Sea, in the usual language that every one would understand, measuring the circumference in the way in which all skilled workers, like Hiram, did measure circles at that time. He, of course, must however have known perfectly well, that as the polygonal hexagon thus inscribed by the radius was thirty cubits, the actual curved circumference would be somewhat more". (Notes on the King James Version, London, 1887)
25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws. (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect.)
“Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which [if] a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through [the fire] all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I [am] the LORD.”’ KJV
Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever. Amen. That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.