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Originally posted by thomas_
Starve not from food but economically. But you're entitled to keep believing in that fairytale where the US doesn't depend on relations with foreign countries and would still be able to keep it's current lifestyle and size while inside a bubble.
But you're right it could sustain it self while inside a bubble, for what price it's a whole different issue though. In my "uniformed assessment" at least 80% of the population would be instantly downgraded from their current social classes and loose access to things that most currently take for granted.
Not to mention the little fact that US MNCs would either close their doors or reduce their operations making unemployment sky rocket.
In any case, back to the topic if there is any...
Yeah , A single mother of two is a criminal , a hard working man that is trying to provide for his family is a criminal.
I hope the rest of the world boycotts America for being so backward.
Please!!! The US would just starve to death or go down to the level of Cuba.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
My problem with this kind of legislation is that in my opinion (with which anyone may feel free to disagree of course,) it violates the fourth amendment.
The fourth amendment states that no citizen shall be searched - either in their homes, persons, effects, or papers - without probable cause or a warrant. The Arizona legislation says otherwise in, again, my personal opinion.
Let's say someone gets stopped for a traffic violation. There is obviously probable cause for the traffic violation, but now, if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person being stopped is not a legal citizen, they can have their papers searched. What constitutes that "reasonable suspicion," though? That is an incredibly broadly interpretable phrase. Does reasonable suspicion simply mean that someone looks Mexican to the officer stopping them? If so, then that does not rise to the level of probable cause in my opinion, and violates the fourth amendment.
Because this can apply equally to legal citizens and illegal persons, I feel that the language needs to be much, much more concise and specific in its use. We are talking about giving police officers the right to stop and search anyone, virtually on a whim, to confirm their United States citizenship, even if they are stopped for entirely unrelated reasons.
Again - just in my personal opinion - this is a violation of the fourth amendment.
Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by TheCoffinman
HEre is a question I hope you have thought about in the past:
What happens if the problem is not illegal immigrants? What if they are actually helping the US more than (taking).
You are willing to divide America based on assumptions? Well I don't mind, people are looking for an excuse to rid USA from world map, this might be it.
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by GorehoundLarry
ATS turned this way due to ATS board who are probably worried more about money, than the core value of this community.
It just killed the whole website, all I see now is political ranting sessions in every thread. While the MODS nit-pick those who they disagree with, too much, too much.
ATS died a long time ago.
The mods indeed pick out those who disagree with them and delete their posts...and then give the poster(s) warnings or a decrease in points.
A good site has collapsed. Good job racists. Thank goodness there are other sites out there with not as much racism or intolerance.
Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by LittleSecret
What if i were a canadian illeagal? NOPE, try again. flew out the window into ignorance.
Originally posted by LittleSecret
Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by LittleSecret
What if i were a canadian illeagal? NOPE, try again. flew out the window into ignorance.
I don't see you talking about closing the north border ?
And when was the last time a white person stopped and questioned ?
Originally posted by LittleSecret
Last time I went to Canada I was stopped at the border and asked for ID. I am white. Coming back into the US I had to show ID again. I was still white.
The most important parts of your post is in bold, in case you didn't notice it yourself.
Yes if you cross the border it is alright to check ID, but these laws encourage authorities to go after those who are not crossing the borders.
Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by yenko13
The people that are not citizens and break the laws and collect subsidies without paying into the system 80% brown 75% Mexican
You confused the problem, the problem does pay in to the system, they work for America businesses, that is paying in to the system.
The problem is they are illegals.
That is the only problem, do you agree?
Originally posted by LittleSecret
The negative will be the collapse of many companies who's soul survival depends on illegals.
Now you fill in the positives:
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by GorehoundLarry
Deported to mexican prisons and left for dead. FIRST OF ALL, why did they go into a mexican prison and why were they left for dead. Are you saying that mexico is into GENOCIDE?
I have read through your posts...you seem to just like to be negative and say nasty things...but I don't get your angle.
Yes...Mexico as a country/government is in horrible shape...that is why the good people of Mexico are coming here to look for a better life.
For some reason in your eyes that makes them vile criminals. In my eyes that makes them decent human beings looking to feed their families...coming to the land of the free where immigrants are supposedly welcome.
OH that's right...do it legally....where it costs 10k or more to do so. Yeah...that is reasonable...they can't feed their family...but they just happen to have 10k sitting around to do it legally. There comes a time where humanity trumps man made laws and imaginary lines.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by nite owl
Ok...so you agree that Mexico's government is corrupt and the living conditions are not good.
So you should have no problem seeing why people are running from there to come to here...right?