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Ron Paul's son says Obama too tough on BP

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posted on May, 22 2010 @ 05:56 AM
Where are the links to BP promising to pay all the costs of the repairs and clean-up?

I can't seem to find that.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 06:01 AM
reply to post by Kailassa

Energy giant BP vowed Monday to pay "all necessary and appropriate clean-up costs" from the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

"BP takes responsibility for responding to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. We will clean it up," the company said in a statement.

"BP will pay all necessary and appropriate clean-up costs," it said, adding that BP was "committed to pay legitimate and objectively verifiable claims for other loss and damage caused by the spill."

Those shrimpers we have been hearing about on the news? .. BP will be paying them as well. After the Exxon accident in Alaska almost all fishers got paid, usually between $150-200k .. of course the Valdez oil spill was so bad the fishing industry never kicked off again.

And .. this was the first link on Google so I don't know where you were looking.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 06:04 AM

Originally posted by RRokkyy
reply to post by Kailassa

Politics is personality.
Libertarianism appeals to the independent personality.
The Libertarian voter is the swing voter.
It is not a matter of logic.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by RRokkyy]

ummm...yeah... you know what liberty is right? You that YOU do not currently have liberty..right? So yeah, repubs and dems have had there chance to tow the secret club's crap line, its time to cut the strings and take back liberty .

But yeah, uhhh, Rand Paul IS a republican soooooo...

[edit on 22-5-2010 by SmokeandShadow]

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 06:07 AM
reply to post by Rockpuck

"committed to pay legitimate and objectively verifiable claims"

That's corporate speak for saying they won't pay a fine for destroying the environment, but only repay people for a loss of business.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 06:45 AM
Libertarians believe that to harm someone, you should be punished for that harm.

Hmmmm, looks like the totalitarians are out in force on destroying Rand Paul for his views.

I guess big government is the answer to everything, huh?

If BP was negligent in the deaths of the workers, they should be punished.

If BP was negligent in the spill, which they were, they should be sued for every dime they have.

So, one of the biggest percentage wins in a long time, the tea party golden boy is being vilified immediately after his primary win.

Who would of THOUGHT!?

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

Sorry Phoenix, that was meant as a reply to virgom.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 02:09 PM

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by truthquest

They should be forced to go further than just paying a fine. They can't undo the damage, but if all BP offers to do is pay a fine and clean up as good as they can, that's not good enough and people have a right to be angry at BP.

The first thing they should have done is to announce that ALL their rigs will be equipped with that safety device in the future. They HAVEN'T done so. So in effect, they take a reactionary position to work safety and environmental protection. As long as that's the case, people have a right to be angry...because it means they still piss on human lives and the environment when it comes to the maximization of profits.

I don't believe in fines where the proceeds go to the government. Not only does the government just wastes the money but it puts the government in a position where the more crimes there are, the more they make money from fines, which is a very corrupt and dirty system.

I do think BP should go beyond all clean-up / repair costs and pay extra, but should to be donated to environmental charities rather than the govenrment. And yes, they should own up to screwing up and state that future rigs will all have back-up valves.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Kailassa
Where are the links to BP promising to pay all the costs of the repairs and clean-up?

I can't seem to find that.

I just took at look at the website. I think its a fair assumption and doesn't have to be stated that BP will pay for this. Based on the website, here is what BP has done:

1. Paid $75 million in grants to three different states to help accelerate clean-up efforts

2. Paid out 8,000 other claims out of 19,000 claims filed against them.

Not a bad start. I'd be happier if they put in 150M of grants up to this early stage but 75M isn't too bad.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 03:09 PM
reply to post by truthquest

Agreed. The problem I see is that ppl will start whining about "more regulation"...when in reality, there's regulation that BENEFITS the people. I really hope they put pressure on BP and force them to act proactive in the future.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 08:50 PM
Eeesh! I donated money to his campaign. Its funny how things come about after appointment. Hmmmmm.........just like Oboma.

I ABSOLUTELY love Ron Paul. Just had no idea Rand had a different or strange point of view regarding humanity. I don't want to go back 50 years. I like him and I don't like him. Not sure where I stand with Rand.

posted on May, 22 2010 @ 09:02 PM
reply to post by MrXYZ

..It's corporate speak for saying they will pay for the clean up and restitution for lost business. Same thing Exxon did in Alaska.. right now BP is looking at 10-20 billion dollars to settle the damages.

Theres no law that says "leak oil pay a fee plus clean up cost" .. I know ignorant Americans see # like this and scream "zomg we need a law to prevent this from ever happening!!!" ... ignorance to an extreme.

posted on May, 26 2010 @ 02:19 PM
Exxon didn't come close to paying for the environmental costs or the costs to the lives of the people in the area for the Valdez spill, and there is little chance that BP, or the other companies responsible, will pay for the damage that this oil leak has caused. They don't have that much money.

Some things can not be undone, which is why we need regulations to prevent such disasters. All the people who supported deregulation that is the root cause of this disaster are responsible, and quit trying to pretend it isn't so, and that includes Ron Paul who continues to support deregulation insanity.

They want to put all the blame on BP, and you can bet behind the scenes all the big money people are already taking the actions to protect their assets.

Is it now the claim that BP pushed Transocean to complete setting up the oil rig ahead of schedule, or did they only demand Transocean complete on schedule? However, this is probably a mute point.

The corporation most likely responsible for this huge failure is Halliburton who poured the cement for the well casing, as this is the most likely cause. Somehow big media has kept Halliburton's role downplayed to a minimum.

Yes, of course these costs will be passed on to the consumers of gasoline. Which will make alternative energy sources all that much more attractive.

According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.

The timing of the cementing in relation to the blast—and the procedure's history of causing problems—point to it as a possible culprit in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, experts said.

A 2007 study by three U.S. Minerals Management Service officials found that cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period. That was the single largest factor, ahead of equipment failure and pipe failure.

Halliburton also was the cementer on a well that suffered a big blowout last August in the Timor Sea, off Australia. The rig there caught fire and a well leaked tens of thousands of barrels of oil over 10 weeks before it was shut down. The investigation is continuing; Halliburton declined to comment on it.

posted on May, 26 2010 @ 02:48 PM
reply to post by poet1b

So, the regulations in place now, are they not sufficient? Are the regulators allowed to smoke meth and have hookers while they are regulating the businesses?

Let me see, the current government plans on quadrupling the taxes on oil. Hmmm, I wonder how that is going to do anything to prevent future problems?

Oh well, the government is doing such a great job, we should give them more power!

posted on May, 26 2010 @ 04:24 PM
reply to post by endisnighe

When you elect politicians like GW and Dick Cheney, you are going to get regulators who spend their office time searching for internet porn, cause the people in office don't want them to do their jobs, and that is why we have this huge problems.

We don't need to give government more power, we need to elect people into office that go about doing their jobs, and making sure the government does the actual job it is supposed to do.

We should start requiring that additional fail safe equipment, and maybe this whole cementing around the well to plug leaks concept needs to be reconsidered.

Big oil should pay taxes in propensity to the cost incurred by government to regulate big oil in order to protect the public from the numerous dangers created by big oil. The price of gasoline should reflect its true cost, and that includes government oversight to protect the environment, not to mention clean up of all the plastics that are a waste product of oil refinement, sent out all over polluting the planet. The petroleum industry should pay for all the costs associated with the industry, which should be then reflected in the price of it's products.

How can we judge whether or not the price is worth the product when we have no idea what the true cost is.

If the cost of plastic included the future clean up costs, I'll bet the prices would go way up, and better quality materials would not be so expensive in comparison. Craftsmen who make quality goods might actually be able to make a living once again.

Oh, but let's not be too tough on big oil, after all, future generations will pay for our mistakes.

posted on May, 26 2010 @ 04:46 PM
reply to post by poet1b

Wow, still bring Bush and Cheney into the mix?

Yes, I see the NEW REGIME is actually doing something about it, NO, didn't think so.

Go spin the news elsewhere.

Some of us are not falling for the lies created by Cass and company.

edit to add-Hey, heard a new descriptor. Are you a 4 minute man?

[edit on 5/26/2010 by endisnighe]

posted on May, 26 2010 @ 05:06 PM
reply to post by endisnighe

Gee, while your at it why don't you blame Obama for the Civil War, and the last Great Depression.

Deep Horizon was given exemptions by the GW admin, not Obama's admin, through the federal Minerals Management Service which issued a notice in 2008 that exempted drilling projects in the Gulf under certain conditions.

This was before Obama took office.

I don't know whose lies you are falling for, but you certainly aren't in pursuit of the truth on this matter.

Yes, the Obama admin is currently pursuing a plan. Hopefully this leads to people who failed to do their jobs, and the lobbyist behind them, in paying their public debts for this crisis, and prevention of future mishaps.

Am I a four minute man, no, unfortunately, I am giving it up for free.

Why, is anyone hiring?

Of course there are a lot of topics Obama wouldn't like me to present to the public.

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