It is Settled - Obama NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

reply to post by m khan


So, what was Bush doing the last 8 yrs? Did you forget how we got here? Selective memory plus you don't even try to produce evidence.
As for you, Kosmos.:
Ideology friend, ideology! That is why so many of us dislike him. (Obama) has ratcheted up the march toward socialist tendencies and continued loss of freedom.
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Your perspective of "idealology" leaves you in the minortity when it comes to "disliking him". Socialism? Still haven't seen from you guys evidence that comes close to socialism. Most Americans want to know if you have looked the meaning up because we're not even close.
Bankers still rule the banking industry. Health Ins Companies still rule the Health Care industry. The Stock market is still ruled by the scum bags.
What you folks convientely left out is that these bailouts are being paid back! This must burst your perception of his "ideology"!

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Why the incessant accusations of being racist or bigoted? I think it is because his supporters know that what we are saying is correct and they have no defense to it whatsoever.
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--I've already answered this question: If you can't accept reality (Birth certificate) and you still deny his legitimacy, you are either delusional or a RACIST! You just can't accept a black man as Pres.
If you are called a racist for other reasons (don't like his policies) then that's another story. A lot of us denied Bush's legitimacy as Pres. because he won no Presidential election (also reality). Both times NOT ALL VOTES WERE COUNTED!
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So our opposition to his ideology is not only a valid point, it is proven to be so when his supporters denigrate tyhemselves by sinking to the ad hominem claims that we are merely racists.
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Ad hominem? Most of your claims fit squarely in "Truthiness"

Truthiness is what you want the facts to be, as opposed to what the facts are. What feels like the right answer as opposed to what reality will support.

History supports these facts:
Occording to the Right,
Carter wasn't a legitimate Pres.
Clinton wasn't a legitimate Pres.
Obama isn't a legitimate Pres.

Quit denying reality.
Now, those who disagree with this post are going to say I'm an "Obama worshiper" "hypnotized" "kool-aid drinker" hell, I didn't vote for the guy & I don't agree with half of the things going on but I'm not stupid enough to think he's a muslim/socialist/Kenyan. I support the President of the United States for the first time in 20yrs because the last 8 years have been a National nightmare!

All you birthers are hiliarous. The fact that McCain was only a citizen because "Panama was under US Control at the time he was born" appears to be conveniently forgotten.

reply to post by kozmo


Dumb...Dumb..Dumb..

First off it is a RESOLUTION.. NOT LAW. It is a congressional opinion.
If folks wanted to challenge McCain at the time they still could through Judicial channels.

Secondly...it doesn't state "Natural Born" to be defined as "born of two american citizens"...

THE RESOLUTION SAYS NOTHING ABOUT IT.

Here is the "resolution"
S RES 511 of 04-30-2008
www.scribd.com...

ALSO...if we needed both parents to be American born...then not only were Washington and Adams illegal presidents...so were these guys...

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish.
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England,
James Buchanan (1857-1861) and
Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers,
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

DUMB...these threads...wow!

[edit on 24-5-2010 by maybereal11]

[edit on 24-5-2010 by maybereal11]

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


He's screwing america over...good enough reason?

The way i see it, the majority of those who are concerned about Obama not being a natural citizen, aren't' necessarily just out to get him because they hate him. Some people honestly are worried about the principle of it. If we allow certain laws to not apply to a leader, then what's to stop it from happening again in the future? And maybe next time it will be something a little more serious than just where you or your parents were born.

Society has laws for a reason, because there are those who would take advantage of us if we don't protect ourselves. If we see them breaking our laws, we need to speak up or they will learn they can trample all over us and get away with it. Those who think this is a non issue should speak out to have the law changed. But don't just ignore it, it sends the wrong message.

Both sides should be able to share their opinions with each other, but the accusations need to stop. It's ridiculous that someone can easily be called a racist just because they don't like Obama. It's embarrassing. People need to grow up. The media needs to shape up. I can see why some people outside this country laugh at us. We come off as a country full of spoiled and uneducated children. I'm so sick of everything being right or left, why can't we just have a common sense discussion?

[edit on 27-5-2010 by VioletDawn]

reply to post by VioletDawn

The world is laughing at us because they find it hilarious to see that so many people in our country believe their President is not a natural born citizen.

This has been going on for well over two years now. Other then Orly Taitz and a few other wackos, nobody believes this to be true.

reply to post by maybereal11


Im on the sideline on this one but your argument is incomplete.

you posted,

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish.
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England,
James Buchanan (1857-1861) and
Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers,
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada

Thats fine and relevant but no matter where they were born the question is were they citizens at the time of their sons (future Presidents) birth?

There is NO argument that Obamas father was NOT born in the US..Just what was his citizenship status at the time of Obamas' birth..

So I guess you long winded post was pretty useless unless you can answer my question...

nevermind, I was wrong.


[edit on 28-5-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


And I guess you read this part of my post??

There is NO argument that Obamas father was NOT born in the US..Just what was his citizenship status at the time of Obamas' birth..

Not sure what your question is....

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

And I guess you read this part of my post??

There is NO argument that Obamas father was NOT born in the US..Just what was his citizenship status at the time of Obamas' birth..

Not sure what your question is....

Take another look and you will see something never uttered by

a birther
a faither
a bushy
a neocon
an internet pseudo christian.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


a birther
a faither
a bushy
a neocon
an internet pseudo christian.

Well I am none of the above but still don't understand your post/question...

For me the matter of Obama's eligibility is not one of race or hatred, More so that if he indeed does turn out to be ineligible, Then that would be proof positive that the President of the United States is nothing more than a Public Relations Officer put in place by the Corporation that owns America.

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

a birther
a faither
a bushy
a neocon
an internet pseudo christian.

Well I am none of the above but still don't understand your post/question...

Did you catch the phrase "take another look?"

It is somewhat important in helping you understand. Please scroll back up and see if you can figure it out. I may be willing to say it but I am not going to get up and do a little dance for you too.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Ahhhh, but that was the EDITED version...
Didn't see that at first...Am I right??

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Ahhhh, but that was the EDITED version...

Didn't see that at first...Am I right??

Probably not when you hit reply but it was edited before you posted your post, thus it was posted long before I said "look again."

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Given a deserved star for being one of a few ATS member to ADMIT a mistake, and I thank you.....

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Given a deserved star for being one of a few ATS member to ADMIT a mistake, and I thank you.....

Why, thank you.

I am glad we agree that it is a rare thing here. I knew we had more common ground than a few chuckles.