"Source A revealed!" : Secret UN meetings on disclosure

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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by bluestreak53

Originally posted by cripmeister
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Of course it is, they provided the Pickerings with their own little sandbox to play in.

Edit: OMF just removed the thread!! What's going on here??

[edit on 24-5-2010 by cripmeister]


Hilarious! I am grabbing bitmap images of the page for future reference.

They actually just wiped out 6o plus pages of their most hotly visited discussion thread without providing any explanation. It never happened. No one said that.

It is too bad because the whole thread does deserve a place in the Museum of the Greatest UFO Hoaxes of all time.


It's back online


Gee, I wonder what happened there?

Latest post on the thread:

Oh, oh! Did we hit a nerve?

Someone hijacked nearly the entire thread.

Edited to add: Clicking on this thread from the main board page allows access only to the first page. I had to post something to find out the entire thread is here. I hope OM owners have a backup of this thread.

Edited again to add: However, I noticed someone deleted the poll started earlier today in this board.




posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Anyone know what the deleted poll was about?

@DoomsdayRex: I have no idea what happened to the thread but I can imagine it's taking a lot of hits right now. But there has been an eerie silence there after RU published part two of their expose...



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
I have no idea what happened to the thread but I can imagine it's taking a lot of hits right now. But there has been an eerie silence there after RU published part two of their expose...


I'm not just talking about the discussion disappearing but OMF's indignation over the expose in the first place and the louses coming out to defend Source A.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by cripmeister
I have no idea what happened to the thread but I can imagine it's taking a lot of hits right now. But there has been an eerie silence there after RU published part two of their expose...


I'm not just talking about the discussion disappearing but OMF's indignation over the expose in the first place and the louses coming out to defend Source A.


Yes makes one think that they're in on it, I wouldn't be surprised. OMF doesn't even have a hoax section



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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On the topic of nametags, its not at all uncommon for an event to have the odd handwritten nametag, the participant may have arrived to find he left his at home, or he may be a last minute (bought tickets at the door) type attendee.

Im not sure but it looks to me that the guy in the back of this pic (behind the alfred hitchcock lookalike) is also wearing a handwritten tag

farm4.static.flickr.com...

As for it being richard theilmann, to my mind its proved beyond a shadow of doubt , given that the balance of probability leans heavily in favour of this as fact

The photo says his name is richard theilmann, this then points to a myspace account of the same name richard theilmann, the pictures in both examples are of the same man, Dr Maccabee also confirm that the person known as Source A is richard theilmann

even robert morningstar unwittingly confirms it with this statement


all they've done is confirm the veracity "Source A's" rank and bona fides as a real USN Commander


Of course in order to confirm his rank, they needed his name.....richard theilmann.

The photo of "Mr Slave" was uploaded by richard into his own myspace account, and indicates a well known maxim as regards to the internets, that being once you post it you dont own it anymore its gone, this message is being increasingly pointed out to young people regarding these social networking sites, you post something like this when you are young and years later it bites your bum during a job interview. thats how it works.If richard is embarrassed by this pic doing the rounds in relation to this story, its his own responsibility

The preponderance of evidence confirms that this is the man described by the pickles as Source A, and we must decide for ourselves if the story is true or not, personally i cant see earths ambassador to the conformer ET's as being someone who likes to dress up as a male slave

To my mind the people at RU have done us all a great service in blowing this farce of a hoax wide open, for years the perpetrators have been having a good laugh at our expense

let me ask this, how many of you list UFO, and ET's as "interests" on job applications or 1st dates ?

Its people like this who make what should be a valid and accepted genre of research interest into a laughing stock, they are deliberatly doing the genuine truthseeking researchers and interested partys a massive disservice

As for OM.........that wretched hive of scum and villainy is a disinfo site pure and simple, its a cancer on the body of genuine research into UFO's and ET's. Its been the primary vehicle for this hoax (and many others)

Its their "baby" so to speak, they helped birth it, have fed and nurtured it, and are now busy trying to clean up the dirty diapers as quickly as they soil.....

Shame on them

[edit on 24-5-2010 by Ashtrei]



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
I'm not just talking about the discussion disappearing but OMF's indignation over the expose in the first place and the louses coming out to defend Source A.


I think the word "indignation" sums up the reaction quite a bit.

It will be interesting to see what details emerge in the coming days. It seems there are quite a few meetings planned with "Source A" over the next few days.

As someone said, I very much doubt that Richard T. is in much trouble because he might be able to say that the whole story was very much unbelievable, and just show how the web site is used as an online forum to discuss other "imaginitive tales" like Project Serpo, US Exchange Program with Outer Space Aliens and "Chad Drones - Top Secret CGI composites that look suspiciously like egg beaters."

Who would possibly believe he was trying to be serious that the UN was planning to disclose the presence of outer space aliens?



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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In regards to the question should the perpetrators be the subjects of derision and ridicule, to my mind the answer is yes.
For years they have been yucking it up at our expense, helping to reinforce the Woo Woo lunatic fringe stereotype often associated with the topic by the greater comunity.
What other punitive action is available to the victims of this act ?
Why take punitive action ?, for the same reason the law of the land does, to dissuade others from repeating the offence


Punitive damages or exemplary damages are damages intended to reform or deter the defendant and others from engaging in similar conduct


To my mind these Hoaxers should be the object of ridicule (id like to tar and feather them myself)

i rather like this one, brilliant work

i252.photobucket.com...



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ashtrei

To my mind these Hoaxers should be the object of ridicule (id like to tar and feather them myself)

i rather like this one, brilliant work

i252.photobucket.com...


Is that an actual frame from South Park or just a topical comic done in faux South Park style? The whole episode could make a great South Park movie. The kids over at OMF would make great inspiration for satire.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by bluestreak53

Originally posted by Ashtrei

To my mind these Hoaxers should be the object of ridicule (id like to tar and feather them myself)

i rather like this one, brilliant work

i252.photobucket.com...


Is that an actual frame from South Park or just a topical comic done in faux South Park style? The whole episode could make a great South Park movie. The kids over at OMF would make great inspiration for satire.


Its not mine, its by a poster at OMF , But my guess is its been created in response to this hoax, it has most of the core elements of the source A scam.

very nicely done i might add

Personally id have swapped out the bananas for Pickles


[edit on 24-5-2010 by Ashtrei]



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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So we aren't allowed to ridicule hoaxsters? We should treat them with respect is that what you're saying?


No, that’s not what I am saying; if you did read my post correctly you must have noticed that I said in there that the things mentioned in that article have in my opinion nothing to do with the credibility of Richard Theilmann.

It’s nothing more than unnecessary mudslinging.

And I explained in there why I do think that.

Are you willing to explain to me which remarks I made in my post that you think are not correct then?



[edit on 24/5/10 by spacevisitor]



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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Looks like being made fun of is the least of Dicky Boys problems

Navy officer faces arrest if he doesn’t disavow secret UN talks on UFOs


More disturbingly, Theilmann is being threatened with arrest if he doesn’t disavow his earlier revelations about secret UN UFO discussions.

The failsafe, if activated, would lead to him being arrested for impersonating a military officer and his public discrediting by the mainstream media.





www.examiner.com... n-UFOs?cid=publish_twitter:2383

Edit: odd that link doesnt seem to work from this site. if someone in the know could fix it please do



[edit on 24-5-2010 by Ashtrei]



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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Michael Salla is REALLY desperate right now, I bet his knees were shaking when he typed up that garbage.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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Michael Salla is REALLY desperate right now, I bet his knees were shaking when he typed up that garbage.


I think that article should not only expose how desperate Michael Salla is but also serve to show just how much he will twist information to suit his purposes, if not outright lie to his audience. Source A has not been threatened with arrest, that was simply a post on an online forum.



posted on May, 24 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor

But looking again to it all and see all the efforts done to bring that Richard Theilmann alias Source A as much as possible in discredit and make him wrongfully look like some sort of dirty freak gives me a reason for check and double check it.


How do you know he's not a dirty freak? Just kidding, I think there is an element of payback here. The Pickerings had for over two years spun a fantastic tale about Theilmann and RU brought it down to earth in a brutal fashion.



Because that kind of tactics are usually used for decades now to bring people who come forward with sensitive information about the UFO/ET realty as much as possible in discredit, so that people would indeed get the impression that what that person said is all based on lies no matter what his/her credentials are.


Are you implying that this might be the case here?



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by Ashtrei
Looks like being made fun of is the least of Dicky Boys problems

Navy officer faces arrest if he doesn’t disavow secret UN talks on UFOs


More disturbingly, Theilmann is being threatened with arrest if he doesn’t disavow his earlier revelations about secret UN UFO discussions.

The failsafe, if activated, would lead to him being arrested for impersonating a military officer and his public discrediting by the mainstream media.





www.examiner.com... n-UFOs?cid=publish_twitter:2383

Edit: odd that link doesnt seem to work from this site. if someone in the know could fix it please do



This one works.

www.examiner.com...

This article was posted before the above and I just post it here because it also fits in the discussion.

Exposure of US Navy source on UFO UN discussions omits retired Navy Scientist testimony.

exopolitics.org...



[edit on 25/5/10 by spacevisitor]



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 05:22 AM
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Ive just been out for pizza with my wife, whos often smarter and prettier than me

And during our discussions the penny dropped

Its ALL a hoax, Theilmann says hes about to be arrested for impersonating a military officer , and his military records expunged.... read: look like they never existed at all........

I predict he was never in the navy, That there never were any military records and that what he has indeed done is impersonate a military officer

much as this person did


www.newsobserver.com...

It all fits, even his myspace page, the guy is a nutjob, hes faked every aspect of the matter

It fits the comments from the military times from someone who has no interest in UFO's



I question this man's bonafides, his actual military affiliation and his every contention made in these squirrelly "UFO" sites,


Even Dicky boy is predicting the same thing albiet with a spin

That he will be charged with impersonating a military officer , and his records will never have existed.........

the precedent already exists


A Durham man who interviewed U.S. Navy officer candidates, spoke to college students and was seen around town in the uniform of a Navy commander was in reality a civilian who bought his garb over the Internet, according to court documents in a criminal case

The complaint alleges that Shrewsbury impersonated a naval officer over a period of several years, gaining access to the United Services Organization lounge at Raleigh-Durham International Airport

A search warrant filed in court shows that NCIS agents found a variety of military paraphernalia at Shrewsbury's home, such as parts of different uniforms, military decorations including the Distinguished Flying Cross, and 19 photographs showing Shrewsbury awarding his wife a Navy Civilian Accommodation Medal.



I reckon we are seeing a repeat with an ET twist, 100 percent hoax.

Time will tell

[edit on 25-5-2010 by Ashtrei]



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 05:51 AM
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In regards to the question should the perpetrators be the subjects of derision and ridicule, to my mind the answer is yes.
For years they have been yucking it up at our expense, helping to reinforce the Woo Woo lunatic fringe stereotype often associated with the topic by the greater comunity.
What other punitive action is available to the victims of this act ?


Well, if these hoaxers’ stories have been used as the basis, or even as substantiating background, to lectures, included in DVD sales and books – making money, in other words - how about adding fraud to the list?



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Because that kind of tactics are usually used for decades now to bring people who come forward with sensitive information about the UFO/ET realty as much as possible in discredit, so that people would indeed get the impression that what that person said is all based on lies no matter what his/her credentials are.


Are you implying that this might be the case here?



I think it is a real possibility and because of that I said earlier, “that all gives me a reason for check and double check it”.

So I am personally still not convinced that it is all a hoax or fraud.

Look for instance to what Bruce Maccabee said about his meeting with Richard Theilmann alias Source A.

Exposure of US Navy source on UFO UN discussions omits retired Navy Scientist testimony.

exopolitics.org...



Dr Bruce Maccabee met Source A at secure Navy Laboratory in 2008
According to the scientist, Dr Bruce Maccabee, the officer in question had high security clearances in order to visit him unescorted at a secure Naval facility in 2008. That supports his claims that he was a covert operative for classified programs involving senior US Navy personnel.

Unfortunately, for Broadbent he omits to mention that the same source he used to confirm his outing of Source A, directly contradicts his ‘exposé’.

The source in question is recently retired Navy scientist Dr Bruce Maccabee who in 2008 was still working at the U.S. Naval Surface Warfare Center, in Virginia. This is what Maccabee had to say in a 2009 interview about a meeting he had with Source A in 2008.

First of all, I work at a Navy Laboratory, at the time, he visited me, I think it was in April 2008. In a Navy Laboratory in order to get in you had to have credentials, you had to have clearances, a badge that would allow you to come in, and even if you get in, you might need an escort, if you didn’t have a sufficiently high clearance.

Well Source A came right to my office, without any escort. Which tells me he had the credentials. He gave me a review of all the things he had done over the years. It … certainly looked real. At the very least, he was able to go right through the security of the laboratory and came right through to my desk. I told him how to get to the office and he did it. [Click here to listen]

So here we have a respected senior Navy scientist confirming that Source A had genuine credentials, and a very high security clearance as well to enable him to enter the facility unescorted. All that Broadbent refers to is that Dr Maccabee confirmed the officer’s identity and that was somehow the final nail in the coffin that his claims were all a hoax.

It is disingenuous to use a respected authority such as Dr Maccabee to "out" someone, but totally ignore his testimony when it is contrary to the 'exposé' that Broadbent is pursing. If Maccabee's testimony is to be accepted, then how was it possible for the alleged 'fraud' Broadbent describes in his 'exposé' who has not served in the military since 2001, to pass through unescorted all the security levels at a classified Naval warfare facility, and visit Maccabee in 2008?

Among the security protocols at the Naval Warfare Center were showing a valid military ID card, scanning a barcode on the back of the card, as well as other security protocols in place depending on the location and classification level of secure facilities.

These might include electronic fingerprinting, retina scans, biometric readings, etc. Security clearances are regularly updated and limited to specific periods so even if Source A used an old uniform or military ID card from 2001 or earlier, how was he cleared by security personnel to enter the various levels of security and finally enter Maccabee's secure facility in 2008?

Furthermore, it's not just a matter of having the right security clearance to enter a highly classified facility, one also has to show cause for being there, similar to "need to know" access. In other words, some superior authority must have sanctioned Source A to travel through the various security layers in place to visit Maccabee in his secure laboratory facility because he had some reason to be there.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work through all the implications of this, but it appears that Broadbent, et al, are pretty oblivious to the implications of Maccabee's testimony because his 'exposé' requires debunking Source A. Why?

Perhaps Dr Maccabee himself may have the answer. In his 2009 interview he went on to say:

As far as the meeting at the UN was concerned, he affirmed that there was one, he was there, and it was not a formal meeting of the UN. I got the impression it was an informal meeting of people who were in the subject… He did tell me some things that indicate the Navy has run into UFOs. UFOs have screwed up some Navy Systems. The Navy, apparently some high level people in the Navy feel this ought to be publicized .. that is the existence of UFOs.

The implications of Source A’s meeting and discussion with Dr Maccabee are startling. A senior Navy Scientist is discussing with an unescorted officer with high security clearance in his classified facility, issues concerning UFOs, secret UN discussions, and senior Navy personnel wanting to disclose the existence of extraterrestrial life. If Source A is not who he claims to be, then it appears that a secure US Navy facility was compromised at various security levels by someone who wanted to have a conversation about UFOs with a Navy Scientist for unknown reasons.


More info here.

Navy officer faces arrest if he doesn’t disavow secret UN talks on UFOs.

www.examiner.com...



posted on May, 25 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Please have a look at part two of RU's exposé where they focus on Theilmanns meeting with Maccabee.

Part two


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posted on May, 25 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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Yes, definitely read part 2: Part Two

It completely refutes the assertion that RT needed top secret clearance to visit Dr. Maccabee.

After the initial leak of Source A's identity, the whole story, or lie if you will, hinged on whether or not Theilmann required special clearance to visit Dr. Maccabee. As it turns out, he didn't.

Now, we are hearing this non-sense that this is all an elaborate plan by TPTB to ruin Theilmann by ridiculing him and expunging his records. What records? All of the silly pictures and evidence that he is not active in the Navy existed BEFORE the leak.

The more Salla and others drag this out, the sillier they look. It's like a politician who gets caught red handed doing something naughty, and then persistently denies it ever happened. They would do far less damage to their image if they just came right out and said, "Yeah, I screwed up. So?". But that would be too easy.


[edit on 5/25/2010 by Rotoplooker]





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