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I am curious how you can say that my statement is a Straw Man Fallacy?
The above scenario was a hypothetical extrapolation of what would occur to anyone if they failed to comply with the Census.
I thought that was what you asked me to do was to demonstrate what might happen?
"If you are so sure it will hurt people, please demonstrate, not through hearsay and innuendo, what will happen to us by reading this."
It is a fact that the count of the census is used to determine the number of representatives apportioned to the citizens and it is a fact that undercounting will lead to misrepresentation.
It is a fact that communities can loose federal funding due to undercounting during the Census. Please understand that these facts are based on U.S. law not my own postulations.
I "lumped" the statements regarding representation and funding together due to a typographical error in all honesty.
It should have read "this persons Congressional district also looses seats due to an inaccurate count; and funding for public projects within the district." The semicolon would have more clearly illustrated that I was speaking of two different sets of consequences stemming from one action. I can understand your confusion regarding that poorly formatted sentence.
In no part of my statement did I say that the states cannot survive without federal funding.
Someone whom would otherwise meet their civic duty fails to do so thanks to Proto. This person faces prosecution for doing so thanks to the disinformation they have seen in this thread. This persons Congressional district also looses seats due to an inaccurate count and funding for public projects within the district. I think being disproportionately represented and lacking in funds needed to maintain your community is very detrimental to the average citizen. Do you agree that disproportionate representation and a lack of funding is bad for a citizen?
but this fallacious argument that communities are incapable of funding themselves and must rely upon the federal government in order to survive is merely your opinion and not at all based in fact.
I wish people would be more aware of what someone said versus what people extrapolate from what was said.
As for Proto's "disclaimer" regarding his actions I can only say cigarette companies put warning labels on their cigarettes but people still smoke.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Well I guess all those big businesses have it wrong!
.... remainder of Protos response deleted to save space
Originally posted by sweetliberty
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Proto is a big boy who can take care of himself.
Do you fear for him or do you have faith in him?
Cost of 2010 census remains elusive, officials tell panel
Overseers of the 2010 census said on Wednesday that it is almost impossible to determine the total cost of the decennial count. "At this point, it's just unknown" if the cost of the census will ultimately surpass the current estimate of $14.7 billion, Commerce Department Inspector General Todd Zinser told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Federal Financial Management Subcommittee, which oversees the count. A GAO report released at the subcommittee's hearing showed that the first major operation conducted by census workers -- the "address canvassing" campaign to confirm millions of addresses nationwide -- went $88 million over budget, or 25 percent of costs.
It may appear that he in fact has "puppets" as he has claimed others are and have.
You see, he hopes for others to take a different approach when handling things, that we let go of the way we have been programmed to approach, if I may say it that way.
I just think he has said enough in the way of thinking and approaching and dealing with ...the shadow government, the sheeple approach and way of thinking. The follow the crowd like cattle....
Proto in all of his years of research and thought and passion, is capable of speaking for himself without looking like he is no different than the very things he IS different from.
I understand this thread is for all who wish to partake. And we should too.
But with all the hours and dedication he has put into sharing his point of view. With all he has done to clarify what he thinks is distorted by Rome, when does what he hopes for apply?
I just wonder that in all he has said and to so many, ....when does it turn into action and not always talk talk talk.
Silence is an action, so is talking and posting but is it from the same view or is it from the view of a new and different set of eyes?
Please understand I know all on here have good intentions, in the name of fairness and peace and understanding.
So stop for just a moment to make sure you (we) aren't posting in a way that would give the appearance of what most agree is sheeple or puppeteer.
I for one have been going through my own inner growth and awareness and am determined to learn how to take a different approach and a different kind of focus.
It's not easy and even if I fall on my face a dozen times or more, I'm determined to widen my view.
Originally posted by HothSnake
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Another great thread Proto and I'm glad that at least one of us has the gumption and courage to not only just stand up and be heard, but to take action in their righteous defiance of the corrupt system that you have so eloquently exposed. A thought is one thing, to act on that thought and then prove it, well.... Isn't that what the scientific method is all about? True knowledge can only be gleaned from experience, which is why hearsay is not admissable in any court of law (should I have capitalized LAW? I don't know?)
PS. I was going to be one of the first ones to post a reply to this thread the other day, but I didn't see it until very late, got tired and went to bed. After working all morning, I came home and the thread had grown by like 11 pages. Due to time constraints placed on me by my family obligations, it took me a while to get through the whole thread, and I didn't want to post without reading it through.
[edit on 22-5-2010 by HothSnake]
[edit on 22-5-2010 by HothSnake]
What should be noted is that the Constitutiona actually restrains the authority of Congress to legislate within the ten square miles that is the District of Columbia. So if you actually look at it, Congress was only granted the authority to count the heads of those that physically resided within the District of Columbia.
The Constitution of the United States of America, Article I, Section 8, Clause 17:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;