'Pedophile Island'

reply to post by silo13


They are closing down McNeil Island in Washington shortly. The peds are going to be moved into normal prison.

I'm not a supporter of the island concept for a few reasons.

- it is very expensive to staff, equip and manage. Despite all of the tv shows, there are not many true peds and you wind up with a per-inmate cost that is very high.

- the entire purpose of these facilities is to protect the ped. These animals get torn to pieces in regular jails, so the island is actually something good for them. They should be tossed in with the rest of the population.

Well, the benefit to putting all the paedophiles on one island would be that it would make for much quicker and safer deployment of the VX nerve agent. You wouldn't need to worry about pesky domestic laws or even the cost of constructing a gas chamber. Just tell them they're going to this remote tropical island where all their needs will be taken care of by staff, five oclock happy hour included. And then nerve gas the whole deal from a plane.

reply to post by dolphinfan

They are closing down McNeil Island in Washington shortly. The peds are going to be moved into normal prison.

Really? Now that is news. :O

I'm not a supporter of the island concept for a few reasons.

Neither am I - and I bet for some of the same, if not all the same reasons...

- it is very expensive to staff, equip and manage. Despite all of the tv shows, there are not many true peds and you wind up with a per-inmate cost that is very high.

Yes, it's horrendous.

- the entire purpose of these facilities is to protect the ped.

Actually, no. It isn't.
These criminals have already served their sentence, and, that means without the Island they would be out on the streets and free to re-offend.
They're kept in McNeil to protect the innocent from just such a fate.

These animals get torn to pieces in regular jails, so the island is actually something good for them. They should be tossed in with the rest of the population.

I agree, but the problem is, what to do with them when they've finished serving their time?

Again, the criminals kept on McNeil have already served their time, and, after doing so where deemed to be too much of a risk and too unstable (on may levels) to be released into the public.

Do I think they deserve the life they have their? That great picnic McNeil? No.
But if we let them back out on the streets, knowing they will recommit, do the children that are attacked, maybe killed deserve it that fate?

Obviously no.

So, like it or not, at least McNeil was at least a compromise.

I'm horrified if what you're saying comes to pass - that they close the Island. Wow... that is just too terrible to contemplate.

peace and thanks

[edit on 15-6-2010 by silo13]

what if the island was in the middle of the atlantic hundreds of miles from anywhere, like guam for instance, no i'm not recommending that particular island, but one like it, preferably with no population so people wouldn't lose their homes, that could work possibly

i meant to say pacific, wow, i'm an idiot, i apologize

reply to post by dave_welch

i meant to say pacific, wow, i'm an idiot, i apologize

hehehe - it's all good.
Pacific, Atlantic - I could care less as long as kids are safe.
Any Island anywhere so these monsters don't have an opportunity to re-offend.

Oh, on an added note.
I don't know if you know this but you can edit your original post pretty easy instead of posting again to correct something.
I only say this cause I see you joined recently. (WELCOME TO ATS)!

Anyway, if you look at your post, at the top right hand corner is an EDIT button. Click there, it will give you a open edit screen where you can change Atlantic to Pacific and you're all set! No one needs to know!

peace and Welcome again to ATS!

[edit on 15-6-2010 by silo13]

reply to post by silo13


Here's my solution to the problem:
1) Build a giant warehouse with big stainless steel racks stacked high.
2) Surgically remove their arms, legs, eyes, tongue, and genitalia. Deafen them as well.
3) Strap them to the stainless steel racks (No clothes or blankets)
4) Crank the A/C down to about 58°F
5) Apply feeding tubes to their mouths (Gruel)
6) Apply waste tubes to anus, catheter to urethra
All functions can be automated. Only need 1 or 2 guards just to keep people out. (The inmates aren't going anywhere)
7) Hire an old Marine Drill Sergeant (R.Lee Ermey?) to torment them day and night (Maybe we could leave them 1 ear)
All the inmates would know from then on is the feel of the cold stainless steel rack on their backs, and the
endless torment. Have the DI burn them with a lit cigar from time to time just for a little sensory input.
Sound like a plan ? Wouldn't cost all that much. Cheaper than prison. Just punishment. Pretty good detterent.
Or we could just put a .22 cal bullet in their brain, and roll 'em in a hole. Done deal.
Just a thought.

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Near Brisbane, Australia, they're implementing something very similar to this at the moment.

From www.couriermail.com.au...

30 pedophiles to share supervised housing complex in Brisbane

* From: AAP * May 18, 2010 10:24PM

UP to 30 convicted pedophiles will share a new, supervised housing complex in Brisbane's western suburbs. The Queensland Government is planning the accommodation for pedophiles who have served their sentences and are transitioning back into society.

The move is in response to community protests that drove pedophile Dennis Ferguson from his accommodation in Ipswich, Murgon, Miles, Bundaberg, Toowoomba and Logan City, south of Brisbane.

Prisoners who have served sentences but can't be trusted will be housed at the new facility at Wacol, in Brisbane's west, in public housing on jail property, the Seven Network reported on Tuesday.

Each home will cater for three sex offenders.

``The transitional housing has everything from CCTV, dog squad visits, drop-in visits, they're surrounded by barbed wire,'' Corrective Services Minister Neil Roberts told Seven.

Tenants will pay 25 per cent of their Centrelink payment in rent. Psychiatrists warn the joint accommodation could hamper rehabilitation efforts.

FTR, Centrelink is the government department that handles Australia's version of "welfare".

oh fantastic. Pedophile central is now located within 10km of my home - good to know :/

People are so worried about them escaping; why not just do what the capitalist of the U.S. have done and just put a liquor store and gun store on every block. Eventually the NAMBLAs and the GPAs will be too busy killing each other over territory to worry about trying to get out of their current situation.

reply to post by silo13


Now.. Heres the problem. There's also women pedophiles. So won't the male and the women breed and create more children to defile?

Maybe if they were castrated first, and then sent there.

It's you again! Boy, you're really on a crusade!



Joking aside, although both Ideas are totally and completely unrealistic and impractical, I support this in principle.

S&F

reply to post by Limegreen


It doesn't work entirely, it's easy to reverse (just miss an appointment) and it can make them more violent out of frustration if they do attempt to hurt a child.

Sometimes reading thoses threads filled with fantasized tortures make me laught
It prove how some members here on ATS are the crude doppelganger of thoses monsters

Check in the mirror and tell me how you feel about your own violent repressed desires

what a pity

reply to post by silo13


And that's fine, but even offenses that are not violent are classified as violent in some states. The legislation on these issues are insane. There needs to be some law reform before something like this should ever be considered a solution.

Child Molester -- The child molester is most often someone who is sexually attracted to adults, but may molest a young family member in a mala-daptive attempt at meeting emotional needs. Many adults who molest a child they know were also abused as children, but could not or did not seek treatment for problems such as severe an-ger, lack of empathy, low self-esteem, and feel-ings of inadequacy. Especially if treated, inces-tuous offenders are much less likely to commit a new sex crime.

Pedophile -- Pedophiles are adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children. True pedo-philia is a relatively rare condition. With therapy and behavioral management, many pedophiles can successfully control their behavior, just as alcoholics can successfully stop drinking.

Juvenile Offender -- A growing number of offenders are actually children themselves. The most com-mon ways for youths to wind up on the registry are “Romeo and Juliet” relationships, “sexting” on phones or computers, or childish experimenta-tion. Juveniles are highly responsive to treatment, and rarely re-offend as adults.

Predator -- Predators are violent rapists who snare and sexually abuse children. They often place themselves in positions of trust, authority, and easy access to youngsters they do not know. Predators are usually not pedophiles, but instead enjoy inflicting pain. They have the highest reci-divism rate (17%). Abductions by child predators are relatively rare.

Pervert -- "a person whose sexual behavior is consi-dered strange and unpleasant by most people"2
Facts about Registered Persons

2. Not everyone on the registry has committed a sexual crime. Streaking and public urination are both crimes that are admissible on the registry. One man found himself on the registry for grab-bing a girl's arm to lecture her when she stepped out in front of his moving car!4

3. Plea agreements account for 95% of felony con-victions. Prosecutors, attorneys, and judges of-ten pressure defendants into pleading guilty to a lesser offense to avoid jail, avoid a costly lawsuit, or support their families. As a result, people who might, in fact, be innocent of a sexual crime, will often plead guilty to the charge.5,6

4. The U.S. Department of Justice states the 3-year recidivism rate for sex offenders (rape or sexual assault) is only 5.3%.7 5. Treatment can reduce sexual recidivism over a 5 year period by 5 - 8%. This may seem small, but consider this: There were about 210,000 rapes and sexual assaults in 2004. If only 100,000 of the perpe-trators had undergone treatment, this could have been reduced by 5,000 to 8,000. "Thus, relatively small reductions in sexual recidivism rates can have a notable impact on the number of victims, even if the reduction in sexual recidivism is not “statistically significant.”8 6. Future recidivism risk can be reliably assessed using validated risk assessments and diagnostic tools. Thus only those who continue to be as-sessed as high risk need to be closely monitored more than a few years.

7. Support systems help to reduce recidivism. For-mer offenders need a stable home and work en-vironment. This is something their families need al-so. Anything keeping them from support systems and accountability networks can be harmful.9 8. Re-offense rate averages: for auto theft 78.8%, possession/sale of stolen property 77.4%, burglary 74.0%, armed robbery 70.2%, larceny 74.6%, sex offenses 3.5%.10

9. Online stalking and abduction are very rare. Adults pretending to be teens account for only 3% of internet crime, and most child victims meet expecting to have sex.11

Facts about Public Registration
1. 93% of sex offenses are committed by someone not on the registry.9 Thus you could say the regi-stry is at least 93% ineffective!
2. 90% of sex offenses against children under age 12 are committed by someone the child knows (and almost half of these offenders are a family member). In cases of sexual assault against ages 12 and older, 80% know the offender.12
1. Not all registered persons are the same.3 Yet the media and politicians constantly use words like pedophile, pervert and predator to describe all registered persons.
3. Public registration requirements are creating a false sense of security. Law Enforcement re-sources have been stretched to the point where the small percentage of high-risk offenders can-not be adequately monitored.13b 4. The cost of maintaining the registry and the my-riad other ineffective laws targeting registered persons reaches hundreds of millions of dollars each year.9
5. “Megan's Law ineffective, study says. ... There is little evidence, despite the popularity of the sex-offender notification laws, that they are effec-tive..” 13 Recent studies on sexual offender notifi-cation laws in New York and Arkansas reached similar conclusions.
Children on the Public Registry
1. More than a third of all child molestation is committed by children themselves. The U.S. De-partment of Justice finds the age with the great-est number of offenders is 14.6 years old.14
2. A 2007 review of a longitudinal data set of three cohorts of youth in Wisconsin found that of men who had contact with police for a sex offense as youth, only 8.5 percent had contact with police for a sex offense as adults.15
3. Our justice system applies a double standard: A child is considered someone under the age of consent, unless they are being prosecuted.16
Other Important Facts
1. Recent, reliable studies indicate that practically no child pornography offenders (.013%) are ac-tually at risk to commit contact sexual offenses involving other children.17
2. Longer punishment-driven sentencing has not been proven to reduce recidivism; however the cost to house these prisoners is tremendous, at an estimated $20-25,000 per year per inmate.9
3. Statistics show there is no rise in sex crimes during Halloween; kids are more likely to get hit by a car.18 4. SCOTUS ruled in 2003 that public registration was a non-punitive civil regulation.19 Registration re-quirements have grown increasingly severe since then. Lawsuits filed across the nation are forcing states to roll back their registration laws. Some state courts have ruled that registration is, in-deed, punitive. Others found that lawmakers had taken powers that rightfully belong only in a court of law.20 Other state cases arguing similar points are still pending.
5. Residency restrictions have not been proven ef-fective at preventing child sexual abuse by regis-tered persons. In fact, by destabilizing this group, the restrictions are more likely to cause harm than to prevent it.21

Sorry but you can not use Santa Rosa island.
It has possible Clovis culture sites on it.
There has been one 13,000 year old skeleton found on the island. One of the oldest ever found in the new world
en.wikipedia.org...

There are also pygmy mammoth bones on the island.
en.wikipedia.org...

I have a better island
Johnston island .
It has dioxin, radioactive material, and chemical weapons spills,
en.wikipedia.org...

You could not ask for a more remote place.
16°44′13″N 169°31′26″W

Been there twice when i was in the navy and do not see a better use for it.

In my last post I gave you facts and I can support the facts with the sources if required. I try very hard to keep emotion out of such asinine threads as this, but it's difficult. As far as I'm concerned it's not a debate. IF you really want to do something, if you really want to make changes, then learn the facts and put words into action. You are voters, correct? You consider yourselves intelligent, correct? Then why rant with stupid fantasies of what "you" would do if "you" were making the decision. Talk costs nothing and there is little to no accountability.

So, before in your fantasy, you put 750,000 people on an island, let me ask you some questions

Have you ever urinated in public?

Did you ever play "doctor" as a kid

Did you, as a teen, ever flash, streak or moon? Have you ever skinny dipped?

Have you ever sent a nude or semi nude picture over your phone or internet to another?

As a teen or young person, did you ever date and engage in sexual relations with a partner that was 3 years and 1 day younger than you? (sexual relations can be intercourse, oral sex, fondling, inappropriate touching, etc). Or, did that partner lie to you about his or her age, you believed to be legal and consenting and in reality, they were not?

As a parent, have you ever taken a picture of your baby without his or her clothes, perhaps in a bath?

Have you ever been in an adult chat room and found out that the person you're chatting with was not legal age?

Have you ever looked at porn on the internet? And though that porn had a disclaimer that the participants were of legal age, the "models" "appeared" younger? (In many states, the age does NOT have to be proved). Or in that porn search and download, underage porn was part of the download although that was not what you were looking for? (Limewire share is very susceptible for this)

THIS is what makes up the majority of so called "sex offenders". And to the general public and the misconceptions, it is pedophiles that make up the registry when in fact it is "normal" people. Just like you. Just like me.

How many of you, based on the reality of this, would be on that Island?

reply to post by silo13


Life in prison is a basically death sentence . Why waste tax money feeding them when its far more cost efficient to just throw them overboard a boat or something.

Problem being-----an 18 year old male gets his 17 year old GF pregnant.
He is now a "pedophile" for life.
Romeo was a serious pedophile,and Juliet a sl*t but modern depictions see him as "romantic" (LOOK IT UP!)
There has GOT to be some way of differentiating by age spread.

Used to be, playing "doctor" was a normal (although gregarious) part of growing up.
Now it is a crime with lifelong consequences.
God forbid you live in a family with brothers AND sisters----you are psychologically damaged and perverted for LIFE!

Get over it.
Wasn't long ago we were all living together in caves (with no walls) and communally shi77ing in a corner whilst mom and dad were making another sibling by the fire.

We have not become so "civilized" as to eradicate curiosity and migrate the curiosity to a crime.

reply to post by silo13


What about a sociopath/ psychopath island....?

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