S. Korea to convene emergency meeting of top military generals

reply to post by Deaf Alien


When though, When exactly do you react? 46 sailors died in a direct military style attack on a ship..Why whats the north to gain? For what purpose? And will this satisfy them or tempt them to ratchet it up?

This isnt a new development from Kim Jong Il or his government. They have been doing this since the armacist. Attack after attack aftter attack. It's who they have become. But.........

Something has changed..They have a huge shield now. they have the ability to inflict massive damage in one simple detonation. This does what to their psychy? Do they decide all of a sudden that the attacks are no longer needed? Or do they get more active?

The attack on the Cheonan was a test. It was a feeler. They want to see how far they can go. So what now? With their new found power what will they do now?


A look at attacks blamed on North Korea:

— January 1967: North Korea fires on South Korean naval ship patrolling waters near maritime border, sinking warship. Thirty-nine of the 79 sailors on board are killed, 40 injured.

— January 1968: Thirty-one North Korean commandos try to storm South Korea's presidential Blue House in failed assassination attempt on President Park Chung-hee. Seven South Koreans killed.

— December 1969: North Korean spy hijacks and reroutes a South Korean airliner to North Korea, taking hostages. Thirty-nine hostages were freed following Red Cross negotiations but 12 others were never released.

— August 1974: Attempted shooting of Park by North Korean agent as he gives a speech; first lady is killed.

— October 1983: South Korean President Chun Doo-hwan narrowly escapes a bombing in Burma (now Myanmar) that kills 21 people, including several government ministers. Perpetrator claims North Korean ties but Pyongyang refutes his claims.

— November 1987: Bombing of South Korean airliner kills 115 passengers and crew. Two North Korean spies found responsible.

— December 1991: North and South Korea sign nonaggression pact.

— June 1999: Six North Korean patrol boats repeatedly cross Yellow Sea maritime border over nine days, prompting exchange of fire. South Korea says 20 to 30 North Korean sailors are killed, seven South Korean sailors wounded.

— June 2002: Firefight sinks South Korean boat; six South Korean sailors die during the salvage operation.


— March 2010: Explosion sinks South Korean naval ship near Koreas' western maritime border, killing 46 sailors. South Korea accuses Pyongyang of firing torpedo that sank ship.


Now.....What would we do if this was our situation? WWBD?....probably nothing.















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[edit on 21-5-2010 by William Marshal]

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The sinking caused outrage in South Korea, which decreed five days of national mourning for the victims. But Seoul has ruled out a military counter-strike for fear of igniting an all-out war.

War has been ruled out.

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outright war maybe , but the psychological war continues!

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
All US Soldiers are now below Seoul so the North Korea may wipe out Seoul but they will leave the fighting force of American Forces in Korea. =) you are mistaking on that part.

Those marines required in the frontline in any planned invasion would be the first to be destroyed by NK's primitive yet huge arsenal of mortars and missiles. Then those who survive this barrage would need to confront the millions of NK personnel ready to die to defend.

NK would never be able to be conquered in this kind of scenario, and American casualty rates would shock its civilian population into wanting out after such experiences as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
North Korea does not want a war period because they know the full might of America, G.B, Aussie and possible Nato and the E.U. Will come down on them. China may or may not come to there puppets AID in the south. But if they did it wouldnt go well for china, they have no deep water Navy and they can expect fighting to occur on there soil...

The wild card would be Russia what would the do would the stay put, attack china, or attack the US? Thats the wild card there.

Hard to judge how a desperate madman's thinking works, and particularly a regime who think little of consequences of their own actions, and who possess nukes albeit low-yield ones. Plus the civilians who are trained to think that they are the ones being victimised and are being antagonised by outsiders.

China would not want to be involved. They have taken massive steps in modernising and do not want to jeopardise their economic advancement on the account of a fool with little-man syndrome. China recently refused Kim of economic aid on his last visit to Beijing. That in itself is a message made clear that they are no longer as chummy as they were in the 1950's.

As for Russia, I don't think they would not care, so long as NK does not come under the control of the US and her allies. Russia have a history of not liking US friendly states so close to her border. If anything it would bring Russia and China closer together.

In the realm of fantasy...

The EU should stay out of this at first... as should russia. Russia should join the EU... and wait. (only sponsoring Iran and its friends)

When the US is brought to the ground by China and NK, (involving Iran Syria etc etc with proxy wars with US troops in every part of the middle east they're in including the obliteration of israel) and the conflict has already spread to american soil turning the US into a pile of dirt (after the US is nuked and carpet bombed into oblivion), the "new EU" (with russia) should intervene, make peace with China by diplomacy, reach an agreement and "help rebuild" the US and loaning money etc so the US have a HUGE debt with europe and china (russia tells iran and their friends that the fun and games are over), then EU and China divide the US into 2 countries, with a wall installing their puppets as Eastern and Western governments.

And the 20s will be known in history for being Europe's "golden age" triggered by smart opportunism. Europe will be the hero of the day, China is happy and can now dissolve NK since their work is done and unify the Koreas - also very well and the US are "glad its over" and thank the "allies" even tho they actually destroyed their country and divided it on behalf of "peace". The middle east will have its peace also, since Israel is no more and its eternally grateful to the both gigantic powers.

Yes it sounds crazy but... if you remove some modern day twists, it kinda seems like it has happened before aye? I'm sure the opportunism, the "false and so convenient hero of the day", the mind set on profit from it, all that sounds familiar.

Oh and Russia can have the USSR back since no country will be in proper shape or condition of fighting or even provoking Europe or China. The world is now divided in only 2 halves and will create a joint government, one, to rule the earth and secure ever lasting peace.

Gotta love happy endings.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
In the realm of fantasy...

What you'll find is that 99% of posters in this thread and in most other threads live in a fantasy world. It is just the norm.

I think the best way to deal with these regimes[same goes for Iran] is to use assassin's or for all i care bionic hornets[remember those?the figures where they should be operational around 2010] or other micro air vehicles. First for surveillance, figure out what people around the dictators or mullahs might feel something for defecting if the leader is eliminated and then for weapon delivery, just one sting...
I think in NK case i bet 80% of the army might be willing to defect to the South, if only for a better way of life..
But something must be done, what kind of a signal is that? A UN body to investigate the Truce and the sinking of the boat? Didn't they already did that themselves?, and then what a strong codnemnation?
This Nobel price trophy of Barry might be one day be his downfall...

[edit on 22-5-2010 by Foppezao]

Well it seems the US accuses Kim Jong Il of having authorized the attack...

The officials said they were increasingly convinced that Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.

Well then, send your U-2 spy planes above NK, find that bastard and bomb him.

Problem solved.

At the same time, bomb the border with crates of food.

US deploys F-22As to Japan.

Only 12 for now, 12 others soon.

Those 24 F-22As could wipe out the ENTIRE North Korean airforce... EASILY.

Monday we could see some action.

President Lee Myung-bak will deliver a public speech on Monday to present Seoul's tough countermeasures against North Korea
If war happens, it'll happen monday. Unlikely unless the South declares war on the North. Which is UBER unlikely.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

If China is waging economic war on the US then they would benefit greatly from the US being drawn into another expensive conflict. It could push the US economy over the brink, nice motivation for a power on the rise to encourage one of their proxies to act.

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yes, very uber unlikely, south korea talks tough but thats it. north korea is threatening all-out war if they call for new sanctions... SK will call their bluff... and then we'll see what happens...

US, "sanction iran!! sanction NK! baaaaaaah!"

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Guam Pacific Daily News announced the deployment early last week, as a joint deployment between Andersen AFB and Kadina AB and the Stars reported it about 2 weeks ago.

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First the bad news .

I am sorry but as the Germans found out with the Me-262 in particular a small number of high tech aircraft can only do so much against a materially superior enemy . Such a small number of aircraft about the equivalent of a full strength squadron early on in the Battle of Britain would be vulnerable to being destroyed on the ground or overwhelmed by sheer numbers of enemy planes .

The good news .
It wouldn't be an air war from the North Korean side if the F-22 survived the initial onslaught of the likes of enemy cruise missile strikes then they should stand a better chance of surviving future actions . North Korea wouldn't have enough fuel oil to sustain conventional forces such as tanks and planes for a long period of time .

More precision...

Analysts said Lee is considering taking military action against North Korea's provocative actions.

Hopefully it's not ``military action`` as in WAR... but more as in war games...

Otherwise, we're screwed.