France Sets $185 Fine in Muslim Veil Ban

Obviously there's a certain 'group' which is dismayed by the news that Westerners are defending their culture

Hence all the faux 'outrage' posts and threads about a FRENCH decision

Americans should stick to working through its OWN many, many problems. Then, when Americans have achieved that --- they can move on and rectify all the problems they've created for others .. world wide !


Not that I believe for one minute that most of these 'faux outrage' posts and threads emanate from actual americans, by the way. No, I do believe the Paid-to-Post brigade are being pushed into overdrive from their Tel Aviv headquarters

Nevertheless and despite that US-rael believes it controls the entire world --- suck your head in, you interferers --- and dump the arrogance. Because be assured, the French are perfectly capable of making decisions about THEIR nation WITHOUT US-rael persmission or advice


Now --- if you're so concerned about how women dress --- why not go and do something about women's attire in the US --- beginning with your squadrons of porn-celebrities and mini-porn stars. Not as if the US doesn't have more than a few problems, fashion-wise or culturally

Then, take your blood-pressure tablets, because Australia and the UK and the Scandinavian nations are next to ban the hideous burqua. Oh, and Belgium already has

Actually, why doesn't US-rael invite muslims to move to the US and Israel ? The rest of the world will pay you to take them. And they'll be happy to come to you. You have free housing ? Free education ? Lots of welfare money to give them ? Free medicals for their record-breaking breeding-plan ? GO ON -- DO IT ! GIVE THE MUSLIMS A CALL -- TELL THEM YOU HAVE LOTS of SPARE ROOMS over there in the US

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strong hate bro
2nd line

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The veil is not related to religious worship.

reply to post by Gorman91


It is. I mean I can't say it any more bluntly than that. It is to keep minds pure, so to speak because it lessens "sin". The head scarf is actually carried over from the Jewish religion but the actual burqa is meant to lessen sin by not having guys (or gals, I guess) lust over the women, or the women to be an object of said lust.

--airspoon

Edited to add: The idea of Muslim women "covering up", is to keep them from being the object of lust and therefore help them in their daily worship of god. If a man lusts over a women, it could lead to not only more sin by the guy, but also by the gal.

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Originally posted by airspoon

Most people also do not realize the similarities of the Islamic religion with other Abrahamic(sic) religions, such as Christianity or Judaism.

There is nothing similar at all, muslims worship the moon god, who had 3 daughters only. Christians worship the True G_D whose has only one begotten Son, Lord Jesus Christ.
About time the French grew some balls and crack down on the anti-feminist religion. Because the French imposed this law, many women will begin to step forward in their path to freedom!
Viv La Francis!

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Gorman91

 

It is. I mean I can't say it any more bluntly than that. It is to keep minds pure, so to speak because it lessens "sin". The head scarf is actually carried over from the Jewish religion but the actual burqa is meant to lessen sin by not having guys (or gals, I guess) lust over the women, or the women to be an object of said lust.

--airspoon

Edited to add: The idea of Muslim women "covering up", is to keep them from being the object of lust and therefore help them in their daily worship of god. If a man lusts over a women, it could lead to not only more sin by the guy, but also by the gal.

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LOL SIN

but I noticed that the veil is just another way to control women and make men feel more "manly" about themselves. They are just insecure dbags. I know some muslims that don't do the traditional and call it stupid, but when at the mosque their wives wear the veil.

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key word in what you said is help.

The Veil is a tradition, not a tenant of faith. It is a cultural byproduct. And actually it is not carried over from Jewish tradition. it probably is relate,d but it goes ALL the way back to Zoroastrians, and beyond. it was culturally invented to make woman items. To put it frank, it is the same way as modern people hide their sexual devices in the closet. Same basic concept.


Therefore it is not necessary to their faith.

It is not necessary to worship.

It is not religious.

Everyone here stop the hypocrisy right now. You would be the first shcocked to see someone with a burka irl. You have no idea of how disturbing it is to see someone fitted as a this do her daily occupations. How would you like to wear it all day ? How can you, I mean if nobody see your face, how do you eat etc ...
Its a constraint, nobody would wear that without being forced.

Originally posted by ickylevel
Everyone here stop the hypocrisy right now. You would be the first shcocked to see someone with a burka irl. You have no idea of how disturbing it is to see someone fitted as a this do her daily occupations. How would you like to wear it all day ? How can you, I mean if nobody see your face, how do you eat etc ...
Its a constraint, nobody would wear that without being forced.

Don't be an idiot, you are forcing me to write an idiot proof response:

From your post:
"Its a constraint, nobody would wear that without being forced"

From my head:
"Its a constraint, nobody would eat >SNIP

Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by ickylevel
Everyone here stop the hypocrisy right now. You would be the first shcocked to see someone with a burka irl. You have no idea of how disturbing it is to see someone fitted as a this do her daily occupations. How would you like to wear it all day ? How can you, I mean if nobody see your face, how do you eat etc ...
Its a constraint, nobody would wear that without being forced.

Don't be an idiot, you are forcing me to write an idiot proof response:

From your post:
"Its a constraint, nobody would wear that without being forced"

From my head:
"Its a constraint, nobody would eat sh1t without being forced"

Source:
"2 girls 1 cup"

They women are religious, that is the life they chose, heck think about priests, they chose a life without sex, or marriage, or any partners. Who would want that? They never have sex, some do in hiding and with kids, but most don't, yes it is difficult, but it doesn't mean they are forced.

Your conclusion is deeply flawed, but propaganda makes your conclusion look logical./

The men can get jailtime for forcing their wives to wear this, and a 15.000 euro fine.I have seen those women in the hot sun and trying to eat with the burqa, its ridiculous , insulting and degrading for women, thus the point for banning these camp sites.You people can learn a thing or two from French Laicite.

Good for France if the a-rabs don't like the law they can go back where they came from. More country's need to be enforcing this lets face it Muslims and western societys are completely incompatible they need another few centurys to catch up with civilization.

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The men can get jailtime for forcing their wives to wear this, and a 15.000 euro fine.I have seen those women in the hot sun and trying to eat with the burqa, its ridiculous , insulting and degrading for women, thus the point for banning these camp sites.You people can learn a thing or two from French Laicite.

I have seen women do alot of stuff, but seriously, how do you know whether they are forced or not?

As my previous post states, I have seen women eat sh1t, literally eat sh1t, just because you can't imagine your self eating sh1t doesn't mean the women are being forced. Get it?

But brainwashing gets you a fake reality, disconnected from the world.

The thing that bothers me the most about this law is the direct attack against the minority, and that is how it is seen.

There is absolutely nothing to gain from this law, except to make a life of Burqah wearing girl even more complicated and difficult.

Originally posted by Violater1


There is nothing similar at all, muslims worship the moon god, who had 3 daughters only. Christians worship the True G_D whose has only one begotten Son, Lord Jesus Christ.

Muslims worship the true God, ALLAH, with this name he was called by JESUS CHRIST TOO (if you don't understand arameic, and I assume so, judging by your shown intelligence so far, then watch The Passion of Christ, and LISTEN to how Jesus calls God).
Christians worship 3 Gods.

If I was you, I would seriously consider doing the world a favor and kill myself.

Bigot.

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I am sorry but you are the one showing some ignorance about what has been happening in Europe. Muslim youths rape women who do not wear a khimar. Women and couples who walk together holding hands, or showing any sort of affection in certain parts of France are often attacked by Muslim youths. Not only are women attacked, but many are disfigured and allowed to wear no khimar as a warning sign to other women of what will happen to them if they do not wear the muslim headscarf.

Honor killings have increased in Europe, as well as violence because first, second and third generation Muslims want France, and other European countries to openly accept their Shariah laws as the rule of the lands.

The French government should be doing a lot more than this imo.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Muslim youths rape women

You DO know that the the second part of this sentence totally destroys the validity of the first part, right?

Someone who rapes anyone, is NOT A MUSLIM.

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And there should have been a third part to that sentence. Islamic punishment for rape is death while Western punishment for rape is prison, where you get free food, free roof over your head etc.

Very nice, that is justice they call it.

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If someone rapes someone else, then they should be dealt with but a whole group of people should not be punished for the actions of a few. Here in the States, there has been a lot of black on white racial crime. Whites assualted for the color of their skin. Does this mean that we punish all blacks? What about the very few instances of white on black crime, do we punish all of the whites? No. As "oozyism" has said, this is a clear case of a majority ganging up on a minority.

How is banning Islamic dress going to stop anyone from getting raped? If anything, it is only going to inflame Muslims and make them act out even more.


reply to post by Gorman91

You are simply wrong. The Muslim head scarfs are carried over from Jewish tradition. It's what see in depictions of the Virgin Mary, with her head scarf. However, the burqa's purpose is, along with modest dress, is to help them stay pure by supposedly reducing sin, the goal in their worship being to sin as little as possible, therefore it is a part of their worship.

--airspoon

Originally posted by skajkingdom

You DO know that the the second part of this sentence totally destroys the validity of the first part, right?

Someone who rapes anyone, is NOT A MUSLIM.

According to their belief if a woman does not have a khirma/burqa she is a prostitute and must be treated so...hence the rapings... This is not something new but I wonder why you are either not aware of this or you are trying to dismiss it...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

According to their belief if a woman does not have a khirma/burqa she is a prostitute and must be treated so...hence the rapings...

- FALSE.

I am muslim. Find me ONE QUOTE / verse from qur'an where it says that a woman not wearing a scarf SHOULD BE RAPED / Treated as prostitute.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
This is not something new but I wonder why you are either not aware of this or you are trying to dismiss it...

Read above.

reply to post by airspoon


The problem is Shariah law, which is Muslim law and exists in Muslim radical countries. These beliefs are carried over when Muslims from countries which accept Shariah as the law of the land and immigrate to European countries. There is a direct correlation as to what has caused the increase in violence, rapes, and honor killings in Europe and Islamic fundamentalism.