The Jesus Complex

reply to post by jackflap


Good show - NOW that's what I am talking about. "Jackflap" I think you have the idea. Show us some evidence. The OP hasn't done this so far. You have. Now was Boykin operating on his own or was he operating under the influence of someone else? As was Boykin unique or an example of many others in government roles. This we could take to the grand jury.

reply to post by jagdflieger


I just showed you that the OTO is pitting christians and muslims together in the US GRANDE LODGE in the HIGHEST LEVELS of the US GOVERNMENT.

What more proof do you need?

reply to post by jagdflieger


Just think back to Bush. Didn't he use the word Crusade? Didn't he tell us that God told him to invade Iraq? Didn't he say we were going to get the 'evil-doers'?

Bush: God told me to invade Iraq President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did." And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it." Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

www.independent.co.uk...

reply to post by jackflap


HA, George Bush lied about everything during his presidency, why wouldn't he lie about his beliefs? Honestly, I don't think God has any communication ability with Bush. I assume you don't believe in God in which you would have to know Bush was lying or mentally insane. And if you do believe God, like me, you couldn't honestly believe God talked to this fool.

reply to post by marsvoltafan74


The thing is, it's all done very subtly. That way the little phrases can be equated to the larger movements of the military in terms of religion. God said there would be war in Middle East, so this is from God. It's very dangerous ground for everyone.

reply to post by marsvoltafan74


Whats disturbing is when somebody talks about GOD everyone listens even though these people are not even Christians they are MYSTERY BABYLON.

reply to post by jackflap


Well Bush might have said God (but many suspect King Oil was the real reason); however, Bush has been out of office for around a year and half, yet we still have troops in Iraq. Also that was a private meeting. Really you seem to be better prepared than the OP.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
What I want to know is how some of you deny that most of our dead, died for religion.

Seeing as how it is you that is making the assertion, why don't you offer some clear, sourced proof to back up your polemics?

And why on earth is this not in Faith and Spirituality?


Eric

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reply to post by EricD


Is this clear enough for you?

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Originally posted by 12.21.12

I want to discuss the mentality of the common Jesus loving christian. No offense, but millions of innocents are murdered every year in his name and for what?

Since this is a bald faced lie, why should a Moderator not remove this thread and even more to the point, why should anyone care what you have to say?

If you can document that statement, I'll recant but otherwise I request this thread be closed due to your lie.

reply to post by Blaine91555

How Jesus Endorsed Bush's Invasion of Iraq

In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, Bush needed the approval of religious leaders to shore up his religious base and a group of Catholic theoconservatives were happy to help him do just that.

www.alternet.org...

Playing the Jesus Card
Why is Netanyahu courting Christian fundamentalists?

So what's an Israeli leader to do? Netanyahu is resurrecting a tried and true strategy: Call on Christian fundamentalists -- who see maintaining Israel's occupation as paramount -- to galvanize popular pressure against Obama. But just like the last time he played this trick, the tactic is unlikely to work magic for Bibi anytime soon.

www.foreignpolicy.com...

Who Would Jesus Bomb? The Religious Impulse, Public Opinion, and Foreign Policy Attitudes

The paper examines the role that the religious impulse plays in structuring public opinion on foreign policy attitudes. Over the past three decades scholars have examined the role and influence of religion in US domestic politics. Most recently, political commentators have turned their attention to the role that religion plays in US foreign policy – especially post 9/11 – with the belief that the religious impulse does not stop at “the water’s edge” and that the “culture wars” now pervades foreign policy. However, much of the literature on the topic lacks empirical analysis and the paper fill the lacuna by analyzing NES, Chicago Council on Foreign Relations, and Pew data. The paper argues that fears that the US will “go abroad in search of monsters to destroy” on the basis of religious zeal are unfounded. The theoretical contribution lies in the demonstration that in the foreign policy arena the “culture wars” are mediated by religious, political, and policy contexts.

www.allacademic.com...

Foreign Policy Is Not A Faith Based Program

The Jews/Israelis don’t care about the motivations of the Christian evangelicals. They don’t believe in the prophecies of Revelations in the New Testament. If a bunch of American Right-Wing Christian Conservatives want to keep sending them money and giving them a favored status, fine, let them. If conservative Christian administrations in America turn a blind eye to, or perhaps even encourage, expansionism in the area and the discrimination and oppression of Palestinians or Israeli Arabs, fine, bonus. They don’t care any more than I would if someone wanted to give me money and protect my interests because their interpretation of a religious myth, and the desires of an imaginary being, directed them to do so. Israel is doing the pragmatic thing and I would be surprised, perhaps even disappointed, to find they did not exploit it completely.

newsjunkiepost.com...

The fact is, most Christian fundamentalists equate the creation of Israel in forty eight to a prophecy being fulfilled. This prophecy is very important to them in that it set in motion the road to Armageddon and their salvation. It's a very entrenched belief.

reply to post by Blaine91555


They are. They are killed for, Jesus, Buddha, Allah and Satan.

There is no documentation that proved any of these figures ever existed however.

Sorry I forgot about Mohamed, Isis, Osiris,......Moses etc

Oh I am having too much fun.

Moloch, lucifer, Mary, there are just way to many dieties to call out by name.

I gave you a star though. Even though you want my thread closed.

You should stay a while.

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reply to post by Blaine91555


On second thought, I can't just single out one religion. You are very right.

Every Religion is a tool for social control.

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Originally posted by 12.21.12


On second thought, I can't just single out one religion. You are very right.

Every Religion is a tool for social control.

End of your own thread then? Pretty much with that comment, you are a religious intolerant person, of all religions, who's only goal with your whole thread was to ruffle feathers.

Believe whatever you want to, nobody is against that for you, but to slam people for believing what they want to, was your goal, and you have now been called onto the carpet for it. By me!

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Blanca. Come on.

I am a spiritual person. I don't believe in Jesus obviously.

In a nutshell I would be closer to a bhuddist.

I don't mean to slam people but sometimes I have too. It is very tricky sometimes to communicate with most of the bible thumpers around here, but this is a conspiracy website.

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reply to post by 12.21.12

On second thought, I can't just single out one religion. You are very right.

Every Religion is a tool for social control.

Don't forget the atheists. They killed tens of millions of people last century in the name of atheism.

And don't go and use the defense 'they killed in the name of communism' because you need to be consistent in your logic.

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Out of everything that you posted above , the word 'taxpayer' was used only twice . Don't you find that curious ?

Also , you did not cite your source .

99.9% of Americans are TOTALLY ignorant of what your federal taxes are applied towards .

From your posts , it is fair for me to assume that you belong in that percentile .

Therefore , it is YOU who should be ashamed .

reply to post by AshleyD


I agree.

Were all pretty messed up aren't we?

You can call me an anarchist if you want, but don't ever call me a commie or a socialist. Thats just not nice.

I think we shoud restore the constituion, but without GOD. I still believe in the fuundemental values of the constitution.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by 12.21.12]

Okay fair enough, and thanks for sharing that.
I want you guys to consider this aspect of it.
The problem is way too big to point fingers at one specific group.
There is however the zionist movement which believe they have been given right by GOD over the land of Israel.
So there is a conflict because there are other groups fighting for the same thing.
If you went to the US Grande Lodge website and poked around, especially paying attention to the works of the OTO and Aleister Crowley that have been modified into US Laws.
There are several societies that work hand in hand with churches called Mystery Babalon Religion and they are a secret society and from these groups one of their primary focus on bringing muslims and christians to war with each other.
Divide and conquer.
They figure if they could get christians and muslims to go to war with each other and I have found evidence of the OTO altering texts as well as openly discussing this.
But the document came from a very lenggthy transcript, so if you will be patient with me I will start digging.

So far it seems that OP's contention is that the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) which is basically gnostic mystics is controlling world events from behind the scenes. We have "works of the OTO and Aleister Crowley that have been modified into US Laws" but no mention as to what US laws and how it was done. Also there is the claim "OTO altering texts as well as openly discussing this", but no examples of what texts and how they were modified. Also no evidence of any contention or link between the OTO Lodge and any Christian organization. (Now Southern Baptists mixing with gnostics - do you really believe that?)

Originally posted by okbmd
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread573040/pg4#

99.9% of Americans are TOTALLY ignorant of what your federal taxes are applied towards .

And, that would include you.

From your posts , it is fair for me to assume that you belong in that percentile .

No, I actually read quite often where taxes go to. Not everything goes to the war machine, but a lot of it does. You denied even knowing so.

Therefore , it is YOU who should be ashamed .

For what, not believing what you posted before? Churches do not fund wars, but your taxes do.