muslim women to remove their veils

reply to post by Ubasti

That girl you were talking about - she was killed by her family (buried alive) because they thought she talked to a boy on the cellphone.

Regardless of cultural differences, there is no excuse for this type of behaviour in any civilised country. Cultural differences go towards different clothes, attitude towards sex and nudism, different family relationships, but certainly don't include muredr and the debasement of female relatives as second class citizens.

This is not what the Qur'an teaches. It says to respect women and protect them from evil.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
I think a member couldn't have said it better somewhere in another thread, Burqa's are not mandated in the quran. Its more traditional and it not listed in the religious text. Quran points that certain body parts be covered, but not burqa's.

Yeah, I said it, earlier in this thread

reply to post by nik1halo


That is something that I didn't take into consideration.
A lot of traditions are not always laws in some religions.
Traditions, are usually someone's personal opinion of
what should be a law.

I agree that the kind of behavior I mentioned seems brutal.

In Qur'an it is even said not to harm a woman with anything but a stick you can pick your teeth with (a toothpick).

But, like it or not (and I do not say I like it at all), that is culture an belief unrelated to religion. And since that kind of behavior is not a novelty, and since it is cultivated for generations, members of that culture have a right to exhibit it.

I am sorry, but preventing a behavior that can be defined as "culture" because your sense of moral is different is not good, I think. It is almost like a dictatorship.

If a member of a different culture tries to hurt you personally, defend yourself, by all means. But if that same individual does not force you to accept his or her cultural differences, do not try to force him or her to accept yours.

Personally, I must say I disagree with the behavior I described earlier.

reply to post by nik1halo


I have doubts the muslim men even love their women.
When you look into the eyes, behind the veil, you see
fear,not love.

reply to post by Atlantican


I love your attitude ^^.

And the humor .

Thats the spirit

reply to post by ShadowAngel85


yup, gotta agree with the OP. people like you are why society still wages war... extremist points of views...

I also feel the burka is sexist but hey... those women look happy and if they want they could change their way of life right? so except for the security reasons I dont think a public ban is apropriate. In banks and other places like that I believe the burka-wearing people need to look real hard for a solution...


[edit on 19-5-2010 by faceoff85]

I remembered that a member had posted this thread
awhile back,it ties in,so I'm bumping it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Dictating what clothes people should wear, and here i thought ATS members loved harping on about the ills of oppressive government. I doubt most people would like me to tell them what they should be wearing or not wearing in their daily life. There is a problem with families and communities forcing woman to wear these, and that should be addressed. But there are also many woman who choose freely to wear them, but no let's just have a blanket ban.

Originally posted by butcherguy
It is entirely sexist and does not belong nor should it be tolerated on Earth today.

Are you saying that men should have to wear bras and make-up? High heels?

Why is it that people are so blind when it comes to the oppression of women here in the US and say that women "choose" to do these things, but when it comes to other countries and religions, the poor women are oppressed and need to break out???

My post here contains an interview with Muslim women about THEIR thoughts on wearing the burqa, but let's not listen to them, let's make a westernized judgment about their clothing and tell them how to live. Yeah, that's a great idea!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
How do you stand on the custom of not allowing their women to go outside of the home without their husband or a male relative as an escort?

And when they are outside of the home with their escort, they must walk behind the men.

That's not sexist?

Maybe not to some people, but I DO have a problem with it. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by butcherguy
It is entirely sexist and does not belong nor should it be tolerated on Earth today.

Are you saying that men should have to wear bras and make-up? High heels?

You see men are allowed to wear those things if they chose, its up these male to wear or not to wear. Western cultures don't go hang them in public or stone them to death or both. Such choices are not given to Islamic women, instead they are either beaten for voicing their opinion or killed.

Maybe you can look at the following webpage and have a little enlightenment as to how the women were in Islamic countries before the wacko's took over.

Before Islamic Revolution

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More images can be seen at the link above, but just goes to show that it is not by choice but by religious fanatics bent on domination of women & culture.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by butcherguy
It is entirely sexist and does not belong nor should it be tolerated on Earth today.

Are you saying that men should have to wear bras and make-up? High heels

Not hardly.
First of all, I do not force any women to wear bras or high heels, why would I force men to?

Personally, I think some women look nice in heels, but if I were asked to wear them, I would say no.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by butcherguy]

reply to post by mamabeth


I support this ban too. The veil is all about repressing women. To the Muslim men, a bare leg may make them want to rape or something, and women are considered to be evil anyway. Has everyone read the thread about how Muslim girls have their vagina's butchered so they feel no sexual pleasure? To me, this constitutes torture in the broadest sense of the word.
I know I don't want to meet a car with the driver's face covered up.

reply to post by butcherguy


What I think of their laws and customs is irrelevant. I'm a very liberated woman, and therefore I believe in a woman making her own choices, even if they are NOT my choices.

Of course I don't agree with these outdated and sexist customs, but that doesn't mean I have any right to force the women to conform to westernized culture.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
You see men are allowed to wear those things if they chose, its up these male to wear or not to wear. Western cultures don't go hang them in public or stone them to death or both. Such choices are not given to Islamic women, instead they are either beaten for voicing their opinion or killed.

The women in this story are CHOOSING to wear their veils. Read the link. They WANT to. They are protesting this law. They are running their own companies, divorced, single mothers who WANT to wear the veil.

Maybe you can look at the following webpage and have a little enlightenment as to how the women were in Islamic countries before the wacko's took over.

France is not an Islamic country. This is not about Islamic countries. Did you read the story at all?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Thank-you for your contribution to my thread.
I will read the news article later.

reply to post by butcherguy


I'm a christian lady and I sometimes walk behind my husband.
The difference, I don't HAVE to walk behind him.It is more like
respecting my husband's authority,than a duty.We usually walk
side-by-side together.

reply to post by autowrench


I have heard about sexual mutilation,I didn't know there
was a thread on the topic.Is it possible to find and bump it?

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by butcherguy

 

I'm a christian lady and I sometimes walk behind my husband.
The difference, I don't HAVE to walk behind him.It is more like
respecting my husband's authority,than a duty.We usually walk
side-by-side together.

As it should be, you have a choice.

Originally posted by butcherguy
As it should be, you have a choice.

But you support removing the choice of dress for the Muslim women?