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Thailand protests: crackdown against redshirts - live updates

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Thailand protests: crackdown against redshirts - live updates


www.guardian.co.uk

The redshirt leader Jatuporn Prompan has been shown on Thai television surrendering to the police, according to a Reuters live blog of the crackdown. Another leader has been shown under arrest.

Bangkok has descended into chaos, writes Ben Doherty.

"Troops are moving into the redshirts central city protest camp firing indiscriminately, as they seek to take back control of the capital's streets.
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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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It would appear that it is all coming to an end for the Red Shirts and their supporters. There are reports that some protesters are outraged about the surrender to the army and are splitting up into seperate groups to carry on the struggle.

For those of you who are unaware of why these people are protesting. Since March 12, tens of thousands of red-shirted demonstrators have occupied central areas of Bangkok, demanding the resignation of the Oxford-educated prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and the dissolution of parliament.

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 02:44 AM
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Ah...the face of democracy unveiled again. Wonderous.

Sorry for the one-line reply, but there isn't much else I can add. The redshirts have now discovered the horrid ineptitude and fallacy present in a political system so many of us suckle at, mewling "freedom".

I grieve for them, and hope greater Thailand vomits in disgust at the realities so vividly displayed. What a terrible ending to this saga. I did not however expect anything less.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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I don't think this is over by any stretch of the imagination. Many Bangkok residents may have been against this protest due to their inability to go to work, do bussiness etc, but across the country this government is hated and the protests will not end at this.

The funny thing is the former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra who many of the protesters back was as corrupt and ineffective as this government.


Ben, who is in Bangkok, says the violence is set to contintue.

"Smoke continues to billow from a pile of tyres set alight at the Chitlom railway station near the middle of the reds protest site.

Since red-shirt leaders have conceded their protest is lost, the gunfire has decreased in recent minutes, but there are still volleys being fired at the camp, and by reds protesters at advancing troops. It will take several hours before troops can be confident they have central Bangkok under control. Undoubtedly, there will be pockets of resistance from within the red-shirts. Many in the paramilitary wing of the redshirts remain armed and have vowed to fight to the death.

But even if this protest site can be brought under control, and peace restored to Bangkok, serious questions remain about Thailand's political future. This is a deeply divided country, and while this protest might be soon to end, the sentiment for democratic reform in Thailand, and for the removal of this government, will not go away. Prime minister Abhisit, and his country, face difficult weeks and years ahead.

The antigovernment movement has massive support across the country. Across regional Thailand, redshirt supporters and sympathisers staged their own rallies. The Khon Kaen town hall was captured by protesters, in Ubon Thani they torched it."


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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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Red Shirts Surrender

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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The Red Shirt leaders have surrendered, however the rank and file of this group appear to be intent on continuing the struggle/rioting depending on which way you see it.


Geoff Peace, a Bangkok resident, emails this:

The real story in Bangkok now is outside Rachaprasong. Just before lunchtime fires and rioting started all around the edge of the main part of the city. Although most of the redshirt leaders have surrendered the rest seem to have splintered all over the city and are bent on destroying the place.

Just to be clear, the Army did what they needed to do very effectively today but it now looks like there will be random violence over the city and maybe in the regions too. That makes it more frightening than before.



9.24am: Ben has confirmed that report about the TV station being under siege.

Fleeing red-shirts are torching Bangkok as they leave. Thai TV station Channel 3 is under attack from angry reds, and the Thai Stock Exchange building, a few kilometres from the protest site, has been set ablaze.

Despite pleas from red-shirt leaders for protesters to leave peacefully, many reds are angry and are looking to take out their frustration on anything they see as being representative of the ruling elite they have been protesting against."


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The Red Shirt leaders have seemingly pretty quickly lost all authority over their 'followers'.





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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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This now appears to be completly spiralling out of control. The army have underestimated the lengths these protesters will go to.


9.46am: Images are circulating of the fire at the Thai Stock Exchange. "Flames twice as bad since I've uploaded this," says the caption to this photo.

9.43am: The dead Italian journalist has been named as Fabio Polenghi. He was a 48-year-old freelance photojournalist, according to Newsolio.


I suppose its a risk journalists take, but the Thai army is not covering itself in any kind of glory here.






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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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10.55am: A Bangkok fire service official just told the BBC that up to 100 staff are trapped in the Channel 3 building. There also unconfirmed reports that the fire at station's offices has been put out. Live blog: Twitter

10.44am: Thaksin Shinawatra's lawyer Robert Amsterdam tweets: The decision of #redshirt leaders to sacrifice themselves to prevent violence stands in stark contrast to a govt willing to murder its own.


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Easy for Shinawatra to say i suppose.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:53 AM
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Bangkok is now on fire, here is the live camera stream to watch it go up in smoke. Literally. interactive.foxnews.com...



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:57 AM
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It was an interesting day today, that's for sure. I woke up in the morning around 7AM and went outside, hearing random gunfire and multiple helicopters flying around. Not the best picture, but here's how it looked this morning from my apartment:



The tall building on the left is the Channel 3 building for those who know the area. There was thick black smoke from burning tires and buses. The gunshots were all coming from that area. Helicopters were flying above this area as well, but they didn't show up in the pictures.

Here's the view from my car as I was driving to work:



As I was driving home, there was a building on fire near the Channel 3 building:



Doesn't look that bad from the picture, but it was pretty smoky and I had to drive through the smoke on the other side of it because the road leading to my apartment was blocked off by about 10 police cars.

Here's that same building from my balcony once I got home:



And over to the right towards the central part of the city there was some really thick white smoke coming up. Not sure what is burning here, but it's very thick smoke.



Those are the best pictures I was able to take today. There's a curfew in the city and in several areas of the country for 8PM-6AM. It's likely that most of the red shirts will have to leave tonight since they will probably be the only ones on the streets tonight. I don't think this is over by a long shot though.

 


Mod Edit: Fixed image skewing the page.

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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Wow some great pictures there Bosko! I hope you are in a safe place. Is the fighting mainly isolated to Downtown Bangkok? becasue that's the feeling i'm getting from reports.

What do you do over there?



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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Not to sound insensitive but from the depictions we're getting in the Australian News, you'd think the entire city is on fire and devolving into chaos.

Is it really that bad?

From what I've heard it seems most of the clashes/rioting is just concentrated in one suburb?

A lot of interviews with locals show them expressing outrage and disagreement with Red Shirts for taking the protests to this level, many say they're just backed by "rural populations".
Any truth to that?



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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Thanks, it's pretty safe right now. This morning was a little crazy. It looks like the red shirts started some fires as they scattered from the military. I don't think there's any real danger left here, but I can't say for sure.

As for what I do, I'm just an American finance guy. I work for my family's business in the Asia-Pacific region, based out of Bangkok.

To The Godfather Conspiracy: The city isn't on fire and it's pretty calm right now. The fires are isolated as far as I can tell and mostly under control.



posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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That's good you are safe. What is your take on the situation? Do you back the protesters over their demands for a disolustion of this government and snap elections? What do you think of their methods?

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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 09:38 PM
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I think having elections is a good idea. If they did, then I think the person elected would be just as corrupt as they always are. So I don't think anything would change with an election, but they should still have one.

I think the red shirts took it too far. People were sympathetic towards them in the beginning, but at this point their cause has been clouded by the violence and now everyone just wants them to get out of here and let everyone get back to their lives. Setting fires all over the city and causing all kinds of property damage on the streets was a poor way to end it as well. The largest shopping mall in Thailand was destroyed last night by a fire. Thousands of jobs were probably lost by that one act of terrorism. Who knows how many more jobs have been lost by the actions of the red shirts over the last couple months as well. The reduction in tourism has hit people here very hard also.

I don't have a problem with protesting, but when so many citizens' lives are affected by it then they need to change their methods. Now they are considered little more than terrorists by most people I've talked to.



posted on May, 20 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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My applauds to Bosko reporting live from Bangkok. Please do take care!

I myself stay in the rural outskirts of a very small town about a 100 miles from Bangkok. Though everything is quiete here it do instigate nihilist feelings of the locals (Thai people has always been nihilist, but I'm afraid they might turn to real anarchist now) Two nights ago an expat was murdered on open street in the soi next to ours.

So yes, I'm a little scared. About the conflict I'm very pesimistic, because it's not just the money of Thaksin that makes it possible, it's the lack of education, the ignorance. Which in turn makes possible the corruption -- and there was non greater than during the tyrany of Thaksin.

Worst of all this turmoil may have a very long line to run. I only pray for that the worst case scenario will not happen. That would be the passing away of the old king. God bless him!



posted on May, 20 2010 @ 05:22 AM
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Agreed on applause to Bosko.
So are you a Thai citizen Khunmoon? Do you know people who are involved in the protests?



posted on May, 20 2010 @ 05:43 AM
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Humm...red shirts... That was a movement that was started after the bloodless coup that deposed the authoritarian Thaksin. Among the goals set forth by the "red shirts" was to bring back Thaksin into power.... This group was started back in 2006, after Thaksin was deposed... So why are people in Thailand backing this group?....

Not only that, but knowing the Communist past of Thailand, and how it applies to the global use of red to signify the Communist goals, why would any group in Thailand choose to be called the "red shirts"... That is unless they are Communists.

BTW, to those that don't know Thaksin was/is a globalist, and was part of the Carlyle Group’s Asian advisory board before being deposed.


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posted on May, 20 2010 @ 05:51 AM
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I'm not an expert, but I think that the red shirts believe that Thaksin was the only politician to care about the people in the rural parts of Thailand. Personally, I doubt he cared about anyone in the country, in rural areas or in the big cities. I suppose that's par for the course with politicians, but I hope this one doesn't spark a civil war in this country.



posted on May, 20 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Thaksin implemented Socialist programs which seemed to help the people but this man was an authoritarian, and was/is a globalist who loved to brag about his connections with the elites of the world.



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