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Feds tell court they can decide what you eat

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posted on May, 18 2010 @ 05:00 PM
reply to post by AlreadyGone

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 05:44 PM
I think in Oregon it is already illegal to sell raw cow milk. However, our northern neighbors in Washington allow the sale. I've heard it costs about $13 a gallon. I eat a vegan diet, but I have always wanted to try a little raw milk.

In my view,
Pasteurization is a great technology that is absolutely necessary for large scale milk production - because milk from (hundreds of thousands?) of different cows is combined, many (most?) of whom are diseased/malnourished/pumped full of hormones anti-biotics etc..

From a healthy grass fed cow, I can see pasteurization being much less of an issue.

I found a website that has a listing of where raw milk can be obtained

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 06:44 PM
There is a way around the no fresh milk laws .

If you can find a goat or cow dairy that is doing it . Some dairies will let you buy a share or buy a cow or goat below market value from them . You pay a monthly fee of 10 - 50 depending on the area and animals to the dairy to keep your share of animal and for milking costs and can get in return a gallon or 2 of milk a day .

This circumvents the law since it is part your cow and as it stands now you can drink milk from your own animal with out any additives or pasteurization.
Until the FED sticks its nose in what you can do at you own farm home and garden. And I am certain it wont be long before they try yo tell us what we can grow and how it is to be harvested or if we can even eat it at all !

Its plumb idiotic people have to find a way around government laws to do what humans have done for thousands of years with out the FED .

Thinks like this get me so mad I could spit fire .

There are words for politicians that push stuff like this but they are not for mixed company.

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 07:37 PM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Here you have more Socialism for ya where the Feds are claiming Americans don't have the right to choose the food their eat.

How is it socialism and in which section does it say americans don't have the right to choose the food they eat?

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 07:56 PM

Originally posted by ventian
So many freaking problems in this country and they decide to work on obesity.
I swear to god that the federal government are the dumbest people in our society. I am sure that Pelosi will firmly stand behind this, as she does with all fascism.

I know you probably know this but in case others do not this has nothing to do with obesity. It's all to protecting markets for the big politically connected food production corporations

posted on May, 18 2010 @ 10:30 PM
Sadly, this country has a history of corporate control of resource restriction, consumption, and distribution. This control is acquired through lobbies (and less respectable financial transactions), and enacted under the guise of public protection. As of right now it's just used to solidify profits. For example, the milk not being allowed across state lines protects industrial farms, and also protects who?


Monsanto manufactures the Bovine Growth Hormone that's used to create much of our milk. LINK
And there is a growing trend for people to buy organic milk, or at least BGH-free milk. Monsanto has a disgusting history of being intertwined with politics. See Donald Rumsfeld.

BGH hasn't been approved for use in many countries.
Aspartames FDA approval was pretty dirty too.

However, let's also look at cannabis. Heavy lobbies from the alcohol and tobacco companies keep that stuff illegal.

My fear is that this will lead to the outlawing of many of the natural foods and supplements I take, because I know damn well there will be nothing I can do about it.

I'm sure I could dig up dozens of examples to splay all over this post, but I really need to get to bed.

The OP's cries of "Socialism" sounded a little bit like he wanted to blame the "those people" who've taken over the white house, which, is comically ironic considering it is a bizarre capitalist plutarchy in which corporations secretly pull the strings that is to blame. Of course, anyone in the white house is part of the problem, including the "you know whos."

So, seriously, if anyone can give me the true name of our current hybrid government I'd be much obliged.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 12:14 AM
The brief was filed April 26 in support of a motion to dismiss a lawsuit filed by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund over the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's ban on the interstate sale of raw milk.

"There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds," states the document signed by U.S. Attorney Stephanie Rose, assistant Martha Fagg and Roger Gural, trial attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice.

"Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish," thegovernment has argued.
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posted on May, 19 2010 @ 01:35 AM
reply to post by Sunsetspawn

A hybrid system you are correct..

I have called it a corporatist/socialist/bankster nightmare. Where the super rich corporations and banks exist under socialism, they get bailed out by the rest of us if they fail. The rest of us get a little capitalist with a little socialism to keep us subservient and docile. We are allowed to make a little money that is heavily taxed to provide for all the socialism for the elite/government and just a little socialism for our weak, poor and retired.

We need to just make a new name for it. Call it the tyrantocracy.

If that spreads, the endisnighe created the name. It does seem fitting.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:37 AM
reply to post by paxnatus

Sorry about that. I actually searched the website using the search engine, and the name of the thread, and nothing came out. This happens sometimes.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 03:46 AM

Originally posted by dzonatas

How is it socialism and in which section does it say americans don't have the right to choose the food they eat?

As to all those members asking how is this Socialism, it is known as control by the Feds/government hence Socialism. In Cuba people have "libretas" (books) which are issued by the state/government and tells each family what they can buy, if it is available, and if they have the money to buy it. It is a form of "rationing" controlled by the state which is what the Feds want to do in the U.S.

Among the many laws being implemented by the Obama administration, H.R.1388, is the fact that they want Americans to work free for the state as in FORCED Community Service which also exists in Socialist/Communist dictatorships.

This is done in all Socialist dictatorships, also known as Communism. If you take a look at the laws being implemented, and what form of government the Obama administration, and all it's officials favor it is Socialism, if not Communism.

Remember that the United States was founded as a Republic, and article 4 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution states the only form of government that shall be guaranteed to every state is a Republican form of government.

Republicanism is the form of government that the forefathers of this nation saw as being the better to serve the people.

Facism is not Republicanism, Republicanism is less control over the people, either by a government, corporation, or an autocrat/monarch.

I always wondered why people claimed fascism is in any way related to Republicanism when in real Republicanism there is less mean of control over the people by either the state, corporations, an autocrat/monarch, leaving more control to the people to decide their own destinies.

This is what real Republicanism is in the U.S., and not what the left, nor what the corpocrats, who are only RINOS (Republicans in Name Only) have made it to be.

Definitions of republicanism on the Web:

the political orientation of those who hold that a republic is the best form of government

Republicanism is the ideology of governing a nation as a republic, where the head of state is appointed by means other than heredity, often elections. The exact meaning of Republicanism varies depending on the cultural and historical context. ...

The advocacy of a republic as a means of government

the principles of a theory of government in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and exercised by ...


[edit on 19-5-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 05:00 AM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

"Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish," the government has argued.

ya know, I am reading this as saying that not only do they think the government has the right to take those foods they feel we shouldn't be eating off the market, but well, they have the right to tell us what we are to eat.....

while I halfway agree with the first assertion, ya, if the gov't thinks a product is unhealthy for the nation, they should have the power to take if off the market...

but, as to the second assertion, that they have the right to force feed us those foods they feel we should be eating....which, well, is kind of what they seem to be saying,,,,
I don't know maybe they should have worded it differently.....
they seem to be rejecting the idea that we have the right to chose what food WE DO eat.....

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 05:11 AM

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
One'll find yourself in an inconspicuous car..maybe a sedan cruising around the block. Starting and hesitantly stopping...slowly, you look around...pull up to the curb.

You roll your window down, and softly call out to me..Hey man, you got the stuff?

You got the money?...I reply.

Yeah... 100 right?

Let me see it, no play.

Here it is.

I look in the bag, finger each worn bill....Yup, 100 dollars. Here ya go.

I toss a greasy bag into your car and turn the corner...gone.

You open the bag, smell the aroma, and trembling...take out a warm big ol' homemade cheeseburger. Grilled no less, with onions, bacon, and pickles with mayo and mustard....just like ya like. Wow...damn, he's cool. Threw in some homemade fries too.

Suddenly, sirens blare...unmarked Dodges roll up...Freeze, a-hole. your under arrest.

that made me laugh, but it is so true!

I made a prophecy a long time ago and that we will become a society like in the movie Demolition Man. Some great disaster has to happen before I live in a world like Demolition Man.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:36 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed

I found a website that has a listing of where raw milk can be obtained
I suggest everyone hurry to get to any farms listed.

The feds may have been there already with a SWAT team to shut them down.

I guess drinking milk fresh from the cow is 'un-natural'. Can't have that going on!

[edit on 19-5-2010 by butcherguy]

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:41 AM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by dzonatas

How is it socialism and in which section does it say americans don't have the right to choose the food they eat?

As to all those members asking how is this Socialism, it is known as control by the Feds/government hence Socialism.

So, I could simply claim you are being socialist because you have actually controlled the display of the actual text the H.R. Bill and regulated to the people here of the thread what it supposedly says.

I didn't really care to hear the pro-republican rant. I just wanted to know where you found in the H.R. Bill that it tried to control food in the mannerism stated about the thread.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:46 AM
Ok people, you got it wrong with socialism here this far from socialism this pure and corrupted corporate take over and control of food supplies thanks to their influences and power within our corporate ruled government.

People are mistaking the pushing of corporate rule with pushing of socialism in this nation, it is not, what we have is a government that is run by corporate private interest to push agendas to benefit corporate America.

While it may look like "socialism" is it not, that is why people get so confuse.

We has been played with the socialist card and people can not see the truth behind the lies

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 07:24 AM
reply to post by marg6043
You are correct.

What we have would more appropriately be labeled fascism, as it is corporate business entities working hand in hand with the government.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 08:00 AM
Well here it is folks. Who cares what you call it? What it is the systematic takeover of a once great and free republic by a bunch of corpratist/fascist bankster scum. You had better start thinking about standing up and saying no more soon or it will be too late.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 11:39 AM
Sorry, but this is in no way socialism. The MAIN tenet of socialism is that the people all share in the profit from the business, as in many countries, profits from oil or whathaveyou go to pay for the countries healthcare, education, etc. Its not an ideological whimsy like our "trickle down economics" where in some strange way the money is supposed to make its way down from the top....which it DOESNT. Its direct use of profits for the benefit of all.

To call a system "socialist" just because in your mind one aspect (peoples taxes supporting the corporation) resembles socialism, is similar to saying "black men have arms. YOU have arms, therefore YOU must be a black man".

Furthermore, the idea that something is socialist because the government tells the people what to do is ridiculous. ALL governments tell people what to do, and generally they tell people more and more what to do the longer they go on. There are plenty of functional socialist democracies out there, denmark, sweden, etc where people actually have MUCH more choice in what way they want to learn and serve society, as their education is free, meanwhile in the US our ability to choose our profession is often limited by our finances.

To the person asking what form of government we have, I put forth the idea of "corporate dictatorship", however, someone informed me that it is actually a monopolistic oligarchy.

posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:03 PM
Socialism and Fascism are not opposites on a flat line. They are opposites on a circle, and the more 'extreme' you get in either direction, the more you come around to the same place for both of them (essentially totalitarianism); pushed far enough they are one and the same.

The quote about making the food like the medical industry nearly made me vomit with reaction. I know very well that someday history will see this president as the beginning of the end. I don't even think there is hope anymore. I just keep wondering if it is horrible of me to hope some geological disaster so disrupts government that it doesn't have time to finish completely imploding.

All the foods biased against are the ones that breed health and normal weight. The government and its incestuous corporate-agencies are not making people healthier with their sugar-as-a-food group "grains" like wheat/corn as the backbone of the diet; they are gradually making the entire nation sicker, weaker, stupider, with shorter lifespans and much more need for chronic drugs and medical interventions.

'The Diet Delusion (Good Calories, Bad Calories) by Gary Taubes is the most eye-opening book on nutrition I ever read. It is long and dense -- a person needs to be a good reader, and somewhat intellectual, to get through it -- but it's a good thing, because if the general public really absorbed it there would be riots at food-agencies. It took a lot longer to read because I had to keep stopping to rant to people about the content LOL. Ignore the retarded title, the content is good stuff. Taubes is a science journalist, not someone selling a diet (there is no diet in there), it is a review of about a century of research. What you see is that what is healthy -- and not -- is no mystery to anybody except the agencies who want it to be, and who push food and education to ensure their preferred commercial perspective is upheld.


posted on May, 19 2010 @ 06:26 PM
when i was on vacation we drove from colorado to new mexico
we got stoped because we had bags of food we got before. its some old law some food cant be transported from state to state. somthing to do with preventing transporting parasites from another state that can hurt farming. nuthing new

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