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In general, adults use logic and rationality when looking at things, and children are the ones who have a lively fantasy. So I think it's pretty safe to say us agnostics should look at the religious folk like children
So, following that analogy, the agnostics are like the teenagers that think they're too old for the kid stuff anymore but secretly still wish it were true and think the adults are all dumb and don't know anything until the teenagers themselves grow up and realize how the world really works?
At least we found some common ground huh?
In general, adults use logic and rationality when looking at things, and children are the ones who have a lively fantasy. So I think it's pretty safe to say us agnostics should look at the religious folk like children
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ
In general, adults use logic and rationality when looking at things, and children are the ones who have a lively fantasy. So I think it's pretty safe to say us agnostics should look at the religious folk like children
It's pretty safe to say no one cares much about the opinion of an agnostic.
By your own admission you don't know anything.Just as a passer by.
[edit on 25-5-2010 by randyvs]
Originally posted by lucid eyes
Atheism is the religion of the Plebs. As they lack sophisticated brain circuitry they are incapable of spiritual sight and unable to appreciate the beauty of Creation. Thus, they should not be condemned or judged as many have the habit of doing. Instead we must view them with the tolerance and love we would view children with and do our best to provide education in the hopes that through millenia of education they too become mature enough to witness greatness.
Originally posted by My_Reality
I can't say that I agree with those statements. I am an Atheist. A person does not need to believe in a creator or savior to be spiritual. Spirituality and Theism are unrelated to one another. I observe life from Taoist philosophy. When I see things, places or creations of great beauty I see Kami in them.
I am curious if perhaps you cannot see clearly. You classify all Atheists as spiritually immature. Your gaze should be broad and not focused on a single belief.
Originally posted by Greyling2012
Maybe this will help us understand what you're getting at...
Why is morality illogical? Please frame 3 answers in the context of: a human animal living alone without society, one living in a primitive hunter-gatherer society, and one living in a modern society today.
-Greyling
Originally posted by Conspiracy Chicks fan !
I think it's fair to say that we evolved with a strong preponderance to believe in God, yet atheists will claim that there is no evidence for God, and will use a logical position of disbelief.
Why don't they carry on with their logical thought process and disbelieve in any moral or ethical code ?
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
People need to realise why religion is a bad thing:-
THINGS ATHEISTS DID NOT DO!
I'm not saying having your own beliefs is wrong but this organised religion indoctrination using your beliefs to commit unethical acts is just wrong.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Because morality is not derived from a belief in god, therefore such a thought process is not logical.
For the gazillionth time, atheism is not nihilism. You really should try to absorb this fact.
Wow, you really missed the point of that post.
Originally posted by lucid eyes
reply to post by MrXYZ
Thank you for posting that. It is representative of the severe distortion atheists compusively engage in every day. They take one bad apple and make it representative of the whole.
Because of the aforementioned deficiencies in brain chemistry the Pleb does not recognize the logical fallacy of "he is a baker and commited a crime, therefore bakers are criminals" and falls for atheist propaganda.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
People saying atheism and morals don't go along well, and that you need religion as a guideline are beyond crazy.
If that statement were true, this wouldn't happen:
But I'm sure he found God
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
What scientific method reveals to us is that the universe operates just fine without our concepts of creators/deities/gods. This is often seen as an existential threat to the devout believer, and we end up with all manners of foolish science-deniers.
Originally posted by lucid eyes
In combination with materialism, atheism offers no reason to act morally. In materialist-atheism there is no life after death, no karma, no values, no soul, no creator, but only a pointless and hopeless chain of chemical events.
The morality invented by modern atheists is a reaction to modern criticism, an attempt to spice up what would otherwise be a completely empty lifestyle.
Nihilism is a later stage that follows as a logical consequence of atheism.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
No, the certitude I have formed is not a belief. It is a logical conclusion based on evidence and/or lack thereof.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
If you are certain the the earth doesn't revolve around the sun because of lack of evidence then you are ignorant of the objective tangible evidence that exists to support it. The "evidence" presented for existence of deities is strictly subjective and never objective nor tangible.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I find that a failure to rule out the existence of tooth fairies and easter bunnies to be an absurdity.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
It appears you've set up an "anything goes" scenario for existence of deities to reconcile the illogic of agnosticism. Once you accept a possibility that the laws of physics can be violated by supernatural forces and deities unlimited by your imagination you've thrown logic out the window.