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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Atheism is a certitude formed by the lack of evidence. There is simply no reason to believe in things that are unsupported by evidence.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I am secure in the observation that the universe doesn't need gods, deities or creators to operate.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Atheists are largely more ethical people than theists, and none I've ever met adopted atheism as an excuse for deviant behavior.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
No, the agnostic makes the conscious choice to never come to any decisions about believing or not believing.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
How exactly does an agnostic have the exact definition of god? And I suspect that if you hold that description, then anything goes: any suggestion becomes possible including cyclones and dragons. I'm detecting some flaws in the logic of agnosticism
Originally posted by Masterjaden
I acknowledge that my "beliefs" (which you have no idea what they are btw) cannot be proven, you OTH seem to think that your "beliefs" ARE proven. I don't view science as anything but a search for observational truth. I view scientific paradigms and establishments as fallacious and ridiculous in scope.
Having an argument with you isn't even arguing because you can't even realize when you're being hypocritical... and wouldn't know logic or logical argument if it jumped up and bit you (which it has BTW)...lol
You do realize that absolutely none of your retorts have been anything but ad hominum attacks against me don't you???? probably not. Try postulating an argument and see if that gets you somewhere.
Jaden
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I don't have any beliefs that need proving.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Atheists are largely more ethical people than theists, and none I've ever met adopted atheism as an excuse for deviant behavior.
Sorry, I have to pull you up on this one.
I fail to see how atheists could have any position on ethics, when most of them don't believe there is such a thing as wrong or right.
What definition of ''ethical'' are you using, considering that the entire notions of ethics and morals get thrown out under a rational atheistic worldview, as such concepts are just arbitrary man-made constructs that have no relevance without an absolute authority to define them.
Originally posted by Conspiracy Chicks fan !
Surely this is only a personal belief that there is a lack of evidence ?
I am unaware of any empirical evidence one way or the other.
You believe that the universe doesn't need Gods, deities or creators, but what makes you so sure ? As far as I can see you're only basing this on your own personal interpretation.
Sorry, I have to pull you up on this one.
I fail to see how atheists could have any position on ethics, when most of them don't believe there is such a thing as wrong or right.
Originally posted by DeathShield
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I don't have any beliefs that need proving.
I swear to god (who may or may not exist) Atheists must be getting paid for that line, i hear it all the damn time.
Originally posted by BlankSlate
That said, I do strongly doubt traditionaldrummer's claim that atheists are largely more ethical people than theists. That sounds completely made up.
Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
I'm not asking you to prove that there is no god, i am asking you to substantiate your claims that there is no evidence.
Originally posted by Utopian
Firstly may i state that it is not my intention to offend anyone with this thread
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
What, do atheists have to prove to you they don't require deities in their lives? Is that not something that can be accepted?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
I'm not asking you to prove that there is no god, i am asking you to substantiate your claims that there is no evidence.
That's called proving a negative. The best I can tell you is that no theist/deist has presented irrefutable evidence of deities, science has discovered no undeniable proof of deities. The fact that atheists exist should be sufficient substantiation.
Originally posted by BlankSlate
Sorry, I have to pull you up on this one.
What you're describing there is moral nihilism, not atheism. While nihilism will no doubt lead to atheism, it is absolutly not true that atheism leads to nihilism.
There are secular moral and ethical philosopies that pre-date christianity.
That said, I do strongly doubt traditionaldrummer's claim that atheists are largely more ethical people than theists. That sounds completly made up.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
No theist has ever presented any tangible evidence, scientific discovery has never turned up any. The laws of physics operate solidly without prompt from supernatural forces.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Faulty and baseless assumption. Once again, atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. Nothing more. Non-belief in right or wrong is more accurately attributed to nihilism. Morality and ethics are not derived from belief in deities, rather they're derived from social contract. Indeed, under that arrangement they are arbitrary.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Morality and ethics are not derived from belief in deities, rather they're derived from social contract. Indeed, under that arrangement they are arbitrary.
Secular moral and ethical philosophies mean nothing, in truth, because they are only one person's opinion, which is no better or worse than another person that may have his own ethical philosphy of killing, raping, stealing and cruelty.