Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
I'm not arguing that she recovered from her illness. I've seen patients knocking on death's door who made wonderful recoveries, despite all odds being against them. What this doesn't prove, though, is that she was turned away from Mayo and told 'we don't want to hear it'.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
Or, rather than subjecting myself to watching a documentary which, by all reviews I've read today show it is full of logical fallacies, misrepresentation, andf flat-out lies...why don't you just present your case? If this woman's story is true, surely there's a record of it.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
Or, rather than subjecting myself to watching a documentary which, by all reviews I've read today show it is full of logical fallacies, misrepresentation, andf flat-out lies...why don't you just present your case? If this woman's story is true, surely there's a record of it.
Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
Or, rather than subjecting myself to watching a documentary which, by all reviews I've read today show it is full of logical fallacies, misrepresentation, andf flat-out lies...why don't you just present your case? If this woman's story is true, surely there's a record of it.
On second thought...tell you what, if you watch the documentary and make a thread completely debunking "the beautiful truth" point by point, I will read it and, if you can, change my mind.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
Or, rather than subjecting myself to watching a documentary which, by all reviews I've read today show it is full of logical fallacies, misrepresentation, andf flat-out lies...why don't you just present your case? If this woman's story is true, surely there's a record of it.
On second thought...tell you what, if you watch the documentary and make a thread completely debunking "the beautiful truth" point by point, I will read it and, if you can, change my mind.
I just might take you up on that. I have a short vacation coming up on May 26. Could you send me a U2U right now so that I'll have a reminder to watch the documentary?
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SmokeandShadow
If they're willing to lie about one thing (that the photography shows the "energy" of the food), why wouldn't they be willing to lie about other things?
Also, I just found that I can watch the documentary as a streaming video through my Netflix account. I may try to watch it tomorrow night, but I'm on call so I may have to watch it in parts. I'll try to take a few notes while I watch and then form them into a post for you. Deal?
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by warequalsmurder
I'm not talking about THIS website, War. I'm talking about the dozens, if not hundreds, of links to information on "cures" that are posted here monthly. I mean, seriously. Do a search for "rife" or even "urine therapy" and you'll get hundreds and hundreds of sites. If the government and pharmaceutical companies were the leas bit worried...why do they let these sites exist? Why do they allow them to be continually updated?
Simple: because these snake-oil "cures" on the internet don't work.
Topical nicotinamide (niacinamide) has demonstrable preventive activity against photocarcinogenesis in mice. To better understand how this vitamin prevents ultraviolet (UV) carcinogenesis, we tested systemic administration of another form of the vitamin, niacin, and its capacity to elevate cutaneous nicotinamide-adenine dinucleotide (NAD) content as well as to decrease photoimmunosuppression and photocarcinogenesis. BALB/cAnNTacfBR mice were fed the AIN-76A diet supplemented with 0%, 0.1%, 0.5%, or 1.0% niacin throughout the experiment. UV irradiation consisted of five 30-minute exposures per week to banks of six FS40 Westinghouse sunlamps for 22 weeks in the carcinogenesis experiments, yielding a total cumulative dose of approximately 1.41 times 106 Jm2of UV-B radiation. Dietary supplementation with 0.1%, 0.5%, or 1.0% niacin reduced the control incidence of skin cancer from 68% to 60%, 48%, and 28%, respectively, at 26.5 weeks after the first UV treatment. Two potential mechanisms by which niacin prevents tumor formation were identified. Photoimmunosuppression, critical for photocarcinogenesis, is measured by a passive transfer assay. Syngeneic, antigenic tumor challenges grew to an average of 91.6 ± 19.7, 79.8 ± 11.5, 41.9 ± 11.7, or 13.2 ± 4.1 mm2 in naive recipients of splenocytes from UV-irradiated mice treated with 0%, 0.1%, 0.5%, or 1.0% niacin supplementation, respectively, demonstrating niacin prevention of immunosuppression. Niacin supplementation elevated skin NAD content, which is known to modulate the function of DNA strand scission surveillance proteins p53 and poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase, two proteins critical in cellular responses to UV-induced DNA damage. These results clearly demonstrate a dose-dependent preventive effect of oral niacin on photocarcinogenesis and photoimmunosuppression and establish the capacity of oral niacin to elevate skin NAD levels.Linky
The dietary status of niacin (vitamin B3) has the potential to influence DNA repair, genomic stability, and the immune system, eventually having an impact on cancer risk, as well as the side effects of chemotherapy in the cancer patient. In addition to its well-known redox functions in energy metabolism, niacin, in the form of NAD, participates in a wide variety of ADP-ribosylation reactions.Poly(ADP-ribose) is a negatively charged polymer synthesized, predominantly on nuclear proteins, by at least seven different enzymes. Poly(ADP-ribose) polymerase-1 (PARP-1) is responsible for the majority of polymer synthesis and plays important roles in DNA damage responses, including repair, maintenance of genomic stability, and signaling events for stress responses such as apoptosis. NAD is also used in the synthesis of mono(ADP-ribose), often on G proteins, with poorly understood roles in signal transduction. Last, NAD and NADP are required for the synthesis of cyclic ADP-ribose and nicotinic acid adenine dinucleotide (NAADP), two mediators of intracellular calcium signaling pathways. Disruption of any of these processes has the potential to impairgenomic stability and deregulate cell division, leading to enhanced cancer risk. There are various sources of evidence that niacin status does have an impact on cancer risk, including animal models of leukemogenesis and skin cancer, as well as epidemiological data from human populations.Linky
A deficiency of any of the micronutrients: folic acid, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B6, niacin, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, iron, or zinc, mimics radiation in damaging DNA by causing single- and double-strand breaks, oxidative lesions, or both. For example, the percentage of the US population that has a low intake (<50% of the RDA) for each of these eight micronutrients ranges from 2 to >20%. A level of folate deficiency causing chromosome breaks was present in approximately 10% of the US population, and in a much higher percentage of the poor. Folate deficiency causes extensive incorporation of uracil into human DNA (4 million/cell), leading to chromosomal breaks. This mechanism is the likely cause of the increased colon cancer risk associated with low folate intake. Some evidence, and mechanistic considerations, suggest that Vitamin B12 (14% US elderly) and B6 (10% of US) deficiencies also cause high uracil and chromosome breaks. Micronutrient deficiency may explain, in good part, why the quarter of the population that eats the fewest fruits and vegetables (five portions a day is advised) has about double the cancer rate for most types of cancer when compared to the quarter with the highest intake. For example, 80% of American children and adolescents and 68% of adults do not eat five portions a day. Common micronutrient deficiencies are likely to damage DNA by the same mechanism as radiation and many chemicals, appear to be orders of magnitude more important, and should be compared for perspective. Remedying micronutrient deficiencies should lead to a major improvement in health and an increase in longevity at low cost.Linky
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by warequalsmurder
I'm not talking about THIS website, War. I'm talking about the dozens, if not hundreds, of links to information on "cures" that are posted here monthly. I mean, seriously. Do a search for "rife" or even "urine therapy" and you'll get hundreds and hundreds of sites. If the government and pharmaceutical companies were the leas bit worried...why do they let these sites exist? Why do they allow them to be continually updated?
Simple: because these snake-oil "cures" on the internet don't work.
