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posted on May, 18 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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I am wondering why it seems that one of the biggest conspiracies of our time is met with a lack of interaction...especially by the people whom may be most qualified in our circle to work out the subject?

While I understand that it isn't a reality for most of us here...does the subject not bear further thought and consideration?

Many of the human interest topics we tolerate are dealt with a modicum of opinions and thoughts...but the MK topics are not.

As a curiosity...I wonder why...

There is much documentation to prove that human manipulation has occurred...so why do we not focus on that?

There's a reason...




posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Dear MemoryShock

I am most likely being totally thick here but what are the MK topics???



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by MAC269
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Dear MemoryShock

I am most likely being totally thick here but what are the MK topics???


MK Ultra

Really? You haven't heard about it?

Google



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:16 AM
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MK-ULTRA and the extensions thereof...

My signature is fraught with it...

Edit for clarification...

[edit on Tue, 18 May 2010 02:17:56 -0500 by MemoryShock]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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Do you think they are still doing these tests with new types of drugs? What could be the new name of the project?

Mybe this whole existence is a big mind control illusion brought on by some drug. Could that be what got us out of the eden type of reality?



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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There are many different ways to influence, intentionally, a mind.

New drugs? They've been developing them for decades...'___' is the worst association for the MK projects.

The Pentagon just released documents extending MK identification and funding through the Cold War...after the original program was said to have been ceased.

So what do they have now?

Remote Control?

Who knows...but we may as well discuss the possibility...and for the record...there is remote influence...if not remote control...

Edit for spelling.


[edit on Tue, 18 May 2010 02:25:41 -0500 by MemoryShock]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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You go Mem!


The MK topics was what brought me here in the first place!


Some time back I was browsing my dad's bookshelf (he used to be a teacher in interrogation for the military).
An aged, narrow, soft-cover book caught my attention.

On the brown, vintage cover was written with a type writer kind of font:
"CLASSIFIED".

And the title of the booklet?

"BRAINWASHING"


Now, this one was actually a set of intellegence gathered about the Soviet methods of "mind control".
Still, it was a chilling read.
It was described with cold, clinical language the effects of psychological torture on human beings...

There was this other book too, that much more spoke of MK as in MK ULTRA (and the others). It was called "BEHAVIOUR MODIFICATION" and was a much newer edition ("BRAINWASHING" was written in 1957 I think) maybe from the 70's or 80's.

I will read them both as soon as I get to my parents place the next time and contribute to ATS with my findings!



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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I think they trigger '___' for abduction type of experiments. Do you think they have figured out some MIB type of device that can hide/erase memories through these conscious experiments? What if they figured out how to put our consciousness in a container, or use this release to implant false memories?



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:39 AM
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I think they trigger '___' for abduction type of experiments. Do you think they have figured out some MIB type of device that can hide/erase memories through these conscious experiments? What if they figured out how to put our consciousness in a container, or use this release to implant false memories?



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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Oh, and one other thing;

Maybe this is the right thread to gain attention for a very much related other:

Help me find a MK documentary!!!


Been having serious draught in that one...



I hope you don't mind, Mem...


[edit on 18-5-2010 by Raud]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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Glad you brought up the subject OP. I never believed one single shred of a conspiracy theory until my friend showed me the MK Ultra story. I had always believed that our government could never do things to us like that, but there it was, documented and suits filed. I figured that since America isn't anymore moral than it was in the 50's and 60's, that they must be doing some really bad stuff. I have been jumping down the rabbit hole ever since. S + F



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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Dear MemoryShock

Naturally when I saw MK my mind went straight to MK Ultra but since you had not stated Ultra I thought it may have been something that I had missed.

OK so MK Ultra I am not going to say I know all about it but I know enough.

That is enough to know two things really first of all that if the US security agencies will do this to there own people and what is more get away with it then they are caperable of anything. So 9/11 comes directly to mind.

Second I find that what they did was so appalling yet it is out in the open and no one seams to care. CIA boffins in Canada totally destroying peoples minds and it is just let go. No one in jail just no big deal really. Not secret not even deigned.

So my point is if MK Ultra is no biggy then what is the secret about the UFO all about. Deigned, deigned, deigned, cancel blue book there is nothing to look at. Swamp gas, lenticular clouds, Venus any dam thing but a UFO.

I do not consider this of the subject because anything to do with MK Ultra is about TPTB lying.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:23 AM
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What does MK stand for or MKUltra for that matter? Anyone know?

I personally believe the greatest weapon ever created is the Television. How many fully grown generations have their been since the advent of Radio then T.V....4 now?

4 generations of repeat after me. That is some influence...

Peace



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:31 AM
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Funny you mention '___'.

I've long speculated that one reason that particular substance is so prevalient in these types of experiments has to do with the nautre of the drug itself.

Theoretically, if that alkaloid has the potential to open previously dormant centers of the brain - say, for example, a primative area for say - telepathic/nonverbal communication....it would be invaluable to said MK entities.


_______

Now let's look at the four most prevalent groups who use this drug:


We already know the CIA uses this to help agents hold up under interrogation, to incriminate subversives, interrogation of enemies, etc...


Then there is the cult useage. Springmeier's works allude heavily to this aspect of use in his papers on Project Monarch. The darker side of spirituality, motivated by power and control and the lesser emotions.


Then, of course, are those who use the drug to attain higher states of conciousness and spiritual experience in a positive light and for the benefit of the collective of all humanity.


Then there is the college experimentation crowd - perfect future canidates for the wiles of those promoting the spiritual path of peace and light, the more hardcore elements of National Security, Spiritual work - or sadly...the lower Cults and their madness.



There is a damned good reason '___' is classified as a Class A Felony drug.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 03:45 AM
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While Wikipedia is hardly the fountainhead of reliable sources, it is however, as good as place as any to begin learning about the subject of MK. I had never heard of it until entering this thread, and have not yet read Memory Shock's threads or links provided in his signature, but will do so later. It is interesting to note that the Wikipedia article makes the claim that:




Project MKULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.


Later in that same article, it provides this:




One 1955 MKULTRA document gives an indication of the size and range of the effort; this document refers to the study of an assortment of mind-altering substances described as follows:


And follows with a list of 17 preferred substances and the consequence of using these substances. While this list makes no mention of what type of substance produced the outcome, it did list the desired outcome. As Memory Shock has said, it merits discussion. Consider the first substance on that list:

1.) Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.

The first question that comes to mind when reading this is do most people actually need mind altering substances to promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public? An understanding of history suggests that many people throughout history were illogical and impulsive to the point of being discredited in public. Further, the advent of the Age of Enlightenment, and the more contained Age of Reason, suggests that epochs are primarily marked with a lack of enlightenment and reason, and that the epochs of Enlightenment and Reason were an anomaly and not the norm.

Further, the DSM, (Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel), suggests that there are quite a few people out there who have problems with impulsiveness to the point of where the recipient would be discredited in public. Ironically, too many psychiatrists and psychologists will make a diagnosis and the prescribe some chemical substance to treat this "disorder". Even further, as the psychiatric bible, (DSM), grows, it is becoming increasingly more dubious that all of these so called "disorders" are actually social problems, and more likely are indicative of greedy psuedoscientist's who are attempting to expand their client base.

2.) Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.

How ironic that the second substance mentioned seeks to accomplish the polar opposite of the first:

"One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small"

~White Rabbit--Jefferson Airplane~

What is even more ironic, or maybe tragic is the belief that chemical substances are the best route to take when attempting to increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.

3.) Materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol.

As far as covert operations go, one could see the value in such a drug, but for most people, they don't drink alcohol to avoid its intoxicating effect.

4.) Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.

Again, as far as covert operations go, this could certainly be a useful drug working in a pleasant harmony with the other drug, assuming one is attempting to appear drunk in front of another, or others who are quite drunk. Also, such a drug could be quite useful for those on a budget, and can only afford a damn 40oz.

5.) Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.

A useful drug for both covert spies, and kids who just don't want to go to school, or do their chores, and of course, for any adults who feel the same way.

6.) Materials which will render the induction of hypnosis easier or otherwise enhance its usefulness.

Useful to both spies and Vegas or Catskills type vaudeville acts.

7.) Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called "brain-washing".

Useful again for spies, but could come in handy for the miserable spouse as well, I suppose.


8.) 8.) Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.

Hmmmm, the Bourne Identity? Actually, my experience is that most people have horrible memories, and practice what appears to be a selective form of amnesia, only remembering those events that support their own self image, and manage this without any substances or materials.

9.) Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.

Perhaps a drug will do, but my ex-wife can accomplish the same quite naturally.

10.) Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.

But, can it get you high?

11.) Substances which will produce "pure" euphoria with no subsequent let-down.

Well, strychnine has got to go then, and ecstasy too. Again, it is tragic that there is a belief that chemical substances or some other external force can cause "pure" euphoria, and there are quite natural ways of accomplishing this.

12.) Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.

Now this is a drug, I suspect, that many psychiatrists would love to prescribe for their patients.

13.) A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.

Oh the tangled webs we weave...most people, stone cold sober, have a difficult time maintaining their fabrications. Always tell the truth, it is the easiest thing to remember.

14.) Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.

Welfare checks work just as well.

15.) Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.

My son has this problem and doesn't take any drugs. He can never see the messes he leaves, and doesn't seem to hear me when I ask him to clean them up.

16.) A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.

Nyquil in an aerosol spray?

17.) A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity.

Nyquil comes damn close. In the short amount of space left, I find it compelling that this same Wikipedia article suggests that Theodore Kaszynski, (The Unibomber), was a test subject of these sort of experiments conducted at Harvard University between 1959 and 1962. Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and subject of Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, volunteered for such a study while a student at Stanford University, along with poet/lyricist Robert Hunter, mostly known of his association with The Grateful Dead's; Jerry Garcia.

Sirhan Sirhan's attorney Lawrence Teeter argued that Sirhan was a product of these mind control games, and of course, the infamous Jonestown massacre, and its subsequent coining of the phrase "Kool-Aid drinker" is also speculated to be a test site for MKULTRA mind games.

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call
Call Alice When she was just small

When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"Keep YOUR HEAD _______________ Keep your head"


~White Rabbit--Jefferson Airplane~


[edit on 18-5-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 04:26 AM
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That is an awesome post...but I would like to interact with parts of it tomorrow...



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
What does MK stand for or MKUltra for that matter? Anyone know?


Not sure what ULTRA stands for...but MK stands for Manchurian Komission...



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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I look forward to it, and will keep an eye out...that is assuming I am sober and cognizant.



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 04:33 AM
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I don't mind at all...

Link

You may have to do some leg work through the Discovery channel...but there is some interesting stuff there...



[edit on Tue, 18 May 2010 04:34:06 -0500 by MemoryShock]



posted on May, 18 2010 @ 05:00 AM
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Cool, thanks


Sometimes I think they were advised not to keep that docu in their archives no more... It was pretty sensetive material that very much confrimed that the MK programs are still in effect.

Btw, I thought MK stood for "Mind Kontrol"?



I hope this thread grows fat and long!


[edit on 18-5-2010 by Raud]



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