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The Stichin Hoax

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posted on May, 24 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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I like how 90% of the arguments for the guys theory is 'BUT MAINSTREAM SCIENCE DOESNT AGREE, AND THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING SO HE MUST BE RIGHT!". Honestly what they do to him is called peer review, every scientist or academic goes through, they criticise like they do with everyone else, its all part of it, because if nobody did debate it and criticise it, we'd never know what was true or not.




posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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There's one issue I have with claiming sitchen is entirely wrong based off faulty physics.

Sure his physics may have been faulty when it came to discussion on the orbit of 'Nibiru' and a planet with such an extreme orbit harboring life. Though that's assuming it's a planet, based off 1 persons interpretation.

There is so many ancient text that talk of "fiery chariots" and other things that sound like pure fantasy, though we must keep in mind, back then they did not have a word for "ship". They would try to relate flying objects(Unidentified Flying Objects so to speak) with other moving objects they were familiar with....birds, chariots, etc. Basically they try to describe something which a word does not exist for so they invent words based on other objects.

The tower of babel story alone has so many hints pointing to multiple gods and that the tower could have actually been a spaceship docking/launching station. (I am not arguing due to lack of evidence of advanced scientific knowledge in history, so don't try to debunk me on this). Why would an all knowing 'God' need to come down to see such a tower? Shouldn't he just 'know' it to exist, over that, wouldn't he have known it to exist before it existed and made prevention plans before it happen. As you can see the omnipotent 'god' argument is full of possible contradictions, though that's not the point of this post.


keep in mind, I am speaking purely on the story itself(tower of babel in above paragraph), not on the validity/factuality of the story.


We all know language in general is extremely vague and most often barely delivers a glimpse of what is being described.

Sitchin's books are only ONE persons interpretation of an ancient language.

It's very possible 'Niburu' could have been something other than a planet. May it be a giant ship of some sort, an asteroid, or anything along those lines. A giant ship they could come and go as it wanted, loll.

To dismiss the validity of an entire culture based on a single person's interpretation is foolish. Until we get to the point of being able to travel back in time, arguing over ancient history is relatively pointless. This includes the 'true' message of various world religions and ancient cultures whose gods were claimed to be responsible for genetically engineering humans.

There is really no point in insulting believers or non-believers of Sitchin's ideas because there's no end consequence, good or bad. What happens will happen, regardless of how we interpret it. Even so, with such ideas of torture and pain as Christianity claims to be true, must always be regarded with skepticism when little evidence or simply to much varying evidence based on interpretations is provided.

Basically, there's to much unclear evidence to say one thing is right and another is wrong at this point.

I also find is extremely 'bold' to claim sitchen is entirely wrong. Sure you can expect some errors and inaccuracies, for he is just a human. He also is trying to translate an ancient language. When translating any language, there will also be different interpretations and meanings for things. To claim he is entirely wrong is a bit absurd in my opinion, but he does have some educational background on the matters, though at the same time, to claim he is entirely correct is even more absurd then claiming is is entirely false; this is mainly for the reason he is interpreting a dead-ancient language.

Keep in mind, no where do I say any of this is part of my belief system, I am speaking purely on the various arguments people are trying to make and the various flaws. I am open minded, but I am also reasonable and take evidence into consideration. EVEN contradicting evidence, for it is the most important when getting various ideas straight.

People too often look for other peoples opinions on matters, without looking at the evidence themselves and making their own choice on what they believe, if they choose to believe

[edit on 6-6-2010 by Xtensity]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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Why is that in EVERY thread about this man, whether for or against.....is his name spelled wrong???


Is it really that hard...?


It's Sitchin...... NOT Stitchin....


The guy is a mediocre Sci-fi writer at best... nothing else, but at least spell his name right...


[edit on 6/6/10 by blupblup]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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The evidence against such far fetched ideas as Sitchin's is overwhelming. Why claim that the ideas are in any manner equals? They are not.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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On behalf of Minneapolis science facility, we can inform that you have done alot of work for nothing. Sitchin has had help from one of the best scientists,historians and archaeologists on the planet. The work done within this subject has been going on for longer than any of us can remember.The information you have gathered on the other hand is just a phase from our government. If you didnt know it, the government own google and all main internett search programs, and to missinform the public is one way of keeping an anarchi at bay.

Sitchin does what he wants, and is doing nothing illigal, but if the main population starts to believe in it, it might become a dangerous situation. Therefore the tactic is simple.

The government together with scientists and historians has started a 18 month project. So far we have done this.

* World leaders informed on public tv\newspapers that they have been working with a special alien race for over 50 years.

* History channel has started out a new serie in 2010, where they handle out everything from Dna evidence to,logical facts and stories in history. The show has nothing to do with any earlier similar show (Ancient Astronauts)= an example

[edit on 13-6-2010 by Archirvion]



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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[edit on 13-6-2010 by Archirvion]



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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This is rather meaningless dribble. If your claims were true, then how could anyone get Sitchin's message across.

Again you make unsubstantiated claims about Sitchin, yet still manage to get his name wrong. It is likely that you have no idea who this thread discusses, but decided to toss in some support. The support of course is your opinion and that is okay. It's just your opinion.

If you have any actual evidence to support your claims that would be better.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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I agree MSM is slowly coming forth in believing in Sitchin's theory of Nibiru. Just look at the Ancient Astronaut show. All of a sudden we have mathematics and know how to build a civilization. Even the Sumerian tablets state this. hell, even george carlin believed in this theory.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Who cares if the MSM does a show on whatever to earn a buck. The fact is that gravity and whole sky surveys prove that Nibiru is impossible.

Sitchin separated a lot of fools from their money. Good going Sitchin.

[edit on 13-6-2010 by stereologist]



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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Who cares if the MSM does a show on whatever to earn a buck. The fact is that gravity and whole sky surveys prove that Nibiru is impossible.

Sitchin separated a lot of fools from their money. Good going Sitchin.

[edit on 13-6-2010 by stereologist]


SO explain comets then son?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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SO explain comets then son?

What do you want to know about small mass, small diameter objects?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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SO explain comets then son?

What do you want to know about small mass, small diameter objects?


no explain how they can go in a long elliptical orbit around the sun?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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Nibru was a city.


96-103. He directed his steps on his own to Nibru and entered the temple terrace, the shrine of Nibru. Enki reached for (?) the beer, he reached for (?) the liquor. He had liquor poured into big bronze containers, and had emmer-wheat beer pressed out (?). In kukuru containers which make the beer good he mixed beer-mash. By adding date-syrup to its taste (?), he made it strong. He ...... its bran-mash.

104-116. In the shrine of Nibru, Enki provided a meal for Enlil, his father. He seated An at the head of the table and seated Enlil next to An. He seated Nintur in the place of honour and seated the Anuna gods at the adjacent places (?). All of them were drinking and enjoying beer and liquor. They filled the bronze aga vessels to the brim and started a competition, drinking from the bronze vessels of Urac. They made the tilimda vessels shine like holy barges. After beer and liquor had been libated and enjoyed, and after ...... from the house, Enlil was made happy in Nibru.

Sumerian Texts

Peace



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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Comets can orbit in elliptical orbits, which means that they return. Some comets have non-elliptical orbits. Sometimes these unstable orbits result in the comet being ejected from the solar system.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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But here check this out:

www.solarviews.com...



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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There are a number of objects in our solar system that revolve around each other. It is interesting to see small objects such as these in the Kuiper belt also orbiting each other. Thanks for the post.



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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Doesn't Sitchin claim a planet is coming that is called Nibiru?
Doesn't he claim a 3600 year orbit for Nibiru?
Doesn't he claim the orbit is highly eccentric?

Is this starting to sound like physics? It is. So can a planet exist in the solar system with these properties? The answer is no.


Can you prove this outright? Or are you basing your answer on research someone else has done and you have not validated personally?
Lots of common knowledge from the scientific community is considered to be absolute, that is of course until something in nature proves them wrong. They have not seen this occur or not occur and they base their findings on commonalities, not experiences. Sometimes the universe isn't as common as one suspects throwing logic out the window, so he may be correct. Since we can only simulate a test and not actually perform the test realistically, it stands to reason that it may be possible.

Plenty of theories pass simulations, but when they try to do it in the real world sometimes it proves their simulations were flawed. Keep that in mind when using research that is only simulated as proof. Keep an open mind if thats possible.



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Sometimes the universe isn't as common as one suspects throwing logic out the window, so he may be correct.

There is zero chance Sitchin is correct. He hasn't done any of the astronomical calculations himself. If he had he would not be claiming the silliness of a planet. And you do not "throw logic out the window." That is a notion often used by people who do not understand science. What it means is backtracking and learning what assumption made was incorrect.


Since we can only simulate a test and not actually perform the test realistically, it stands to reason that it may be possible.

This is a falsehood. The tests can be performed by making observations. A good example of the certainty of these sstems is the predictions made of an occultation of a star by an asteroid. The exact cities and times were predicted well in advance of the event. This demonstrates the incredible accuracy of these systems.


Plenty of theories pass simulations, but when they try to do it in the real world sometimes it proves their simulations were flawed.

In fact, this is the way science works. You make a prediction. You test the prediction. If the prediction is wrong you go back and try to determine the cause of the problem.

That isn't going to happen here with gravitational tests since test after test after test has worked out. The Sitchin hoax is a simple item to demonstrate as false.



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